More park closures?

Turtle

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Privately run parks that actually pay money into the Treasury rather than costing money being closed as well? Could be I suppose with dumber than dirt liberal morons in charge.
Nope, it's got nothing to do with Treasury money or anything like that, it's pure politics.

From another article:
But given that in past shutdowns or budget standoffs, some park closings have been resolved, critics say the National Park Service is now being far too aggressive in barricading public lands. Some are accusing the agency of “showdown theater,” aimed at pinning blame on Republicans and reminding people of the importance of the federal government.

“It’s a cheap way to deal with the situation,” an unnamed Park Service ranger reportedly told The Washington Times. “We’ve been told to make life as difficult for people as we can. It’s disgusting."

In what some say is a first, the National Park Service has also shut down private operations that lease federal lands but do not rely on federal personnel for patrols or backup. [reference the story in the OP]


Some public land experts argue that anger against the National Park Service is misplaced – that the agency is only following protocol by shuttering its own and rental operations on federal lands.

“The Park Service has much more of a stronger resource-protection mission than other federal [land] agencies,” says John Freemuth, a former park ranger who’s now a political scientist at Boise State University in Idaho. National Park Service Director Jonathan Jarvis, the first biologist to head the agency, “takes [resource protection] ... seriously, and I think the agency has a legitimate worry: There’s archaeological resources, there are threatened species, and I think they worry about what might happen there” during a shutdown.

“I’m totally sympathetic to their weariness of all this,” Professor Freemuth adds. “It’s not like they want to close parks.”

South Dakota Gov. Dennis Daugaard (R) offered to use state employees to keep Mount Rushmore open, but was rebuffed by park officials. Other governors have offered state funds to keep parks open, and in every case have been blocked by park and other agency officials.


The U.S. Department of Agriculture has turned off its entire website in response to the government shutdown, leaving farmers, reporters and others with no way to access any of the agency's information online. They didn't leave the Web site alone, they instead altered it to make a point. The USDA page gives readers no way to enter the department’s main website and access information that was posted prior to Oct. 1.

Instead, and ya can't make it up, it directs readers to three other sites, including a White House page, that describe the Obama administration's response to Congress's failure to pass a 2014 appropriations bill.

Other agencies say their sites won't be updated, but allow visitors to access older information. The Commerce Department, the Departments of Homeland Security, Health and Human Services, Labor and others have posted notes saying their sites will "not be actively managed" or will not be regularly updated. But these still allow readers to navigate around the website. Not the USDA website, though.

The USDA, National Park Service and anything remotely related is being used to politicize all this in order to place the blame for these shutdowns on the Republicans.

Meanwhile Republicans, who helped to force the shutdown, have passed temporary funding bills in the House to keep parks open, but none of those bills, not one, have been taken up by the Democratic Senate. The Senate Democrats won't even discuss it. Democrats want people to be pіssed about the park closures, and they want the people to blame the Republicans for it. Therefore ergo thus, Democrats are doing everything they can to ensure the parks remain closed.
 

layoutshooter

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"Meanwhile Republicans, who helped to force the shutdown,"


I wonder about whether it is the "Republicans" (please don't forget I have little use for EITHER party) that are the problem, OR, could it be that, at least in the case of Obama Care, they are actually voting as their constituents are demanding they do?

I learned, when I was talking to my congressman, that the overwhelming number of emails, or other types of contact, on Obama Care were demanding that it be outright repealed. SO, as a representative of the People SHOULD be doing, he is working to get rid of it.

I THOUGH that is how it is supposed to work.
 

Turtle

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The Affordable Care Act was voted on and passed (A.K.A., rammed down America's throat) as a single bill that stood on it's own. It should be repealed the same way, in a single bill, standing on its own, and not as part of an amendment to some other unrelated bill.
 

Humble2drive

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. . . in the case of Obama Care, they are actually voting as their constituents are demanding they do?

Absolutely. Previous gerrymandering and redistricting has created a situation where some Congressmen can honestly say they are representing the desires of their constituents even though it is contrary to the desires of the general electorate.
 

layoutshooter

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Absolutely. Previous gerrymandering and redistricting has created a situation where some Congressmen can honestly say they are representing the desires of their constituents even though it is contrary to the desires of the general electorate.

The "general electorate"? What and who is that? :confused: Those who DON'T like Obama Care, are just as "general" as those who do. In our area, most are opposed to it.

When we got redistricted we got moved OUT of the district of John Dingell. He was NOT liked in our area at all but we had NO SAY in the elections. We were lumped into the city of Detroit. Redistricting, from years past, is what led to almost one party rule in large parts of Michigan and more or less eliminated the say of large portions of rural Michigan. We live 50 miles from Detroit. Our area does not resemble Detroit in ANY way shape or form. We are a farming township. Very rural. Sparsely populated. Redistricting here righted a 60 year wrong. We now have a REAL chance to elect someone who represents our views. Something I have never had since I was first old enough to vote. It is VERY refreshing.
 

layoutshooter

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I thought it was kinda self explanatory to even the simplest minds. :confused:
Never mind.

No, it is not self explanatory. Are you assuming that the general population WANTS Obama Care? I really don't understand what you mean. I don't know what a "simple mind" is either.
 

Humble2drive

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I'm also a little unsure of what "the desires of the general electorate" is supposed to mean.

RealClearPolitics - Election Other - Public Approval of Health Care Law


I believe we are talking about two different but related topics brought up by LOS in a poorly written post that confuses the Government shut down and public opinion regarding either Obamacare or the ACA.

My statement regarding the "general electorate" was in response to post #3. LOS was referring to the Government shut down and was postulating whether or not the Republicans "forced" it or if they were just "voting as their constituents are demanding they do?"

The polls that you reference are regarding public opinion of the Health Care law alone and do not address the concept of allowing the Government to shut down because of it.
If you look at the detailed notes of the Quinnipiac poll they provide further information regarding how the public views the relationship between the ACA and the shutting down of the Government.

From Quinnipiac:

"American voters oppose 72 - 22 percent Congress shutting down the federal government to block implementation of the Affordable Care Act."

"Americans are certainly not in love with Obamacare, but they reject decisively the claim by Congressional Republicans that it is so bad that it's worth closing down the government to stop it,"

My point was that in some cases redistricting can create a constituency that is skewed in favor of the views of the Congressman who benefited from the redistricting efforts. This can create a situation where the number of e-mails and other contacts in a single district can show stronger support of a particular issue than would be seen in a national poll. IMHO of course.
That's all.
 

layoutshooter

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I believe we are talking about two different but related topics brought up by LOS in a poorly written post that confuses the Government shut down and public opinion regarding either Obamacare or the ACA.

My statement regarding the "general electorate" was in response to post #3. LOS was referring to the Government shut down and was postulating whether or not the Republicans "forced" it or if they were just "voting as their constituents are demanding they do?"

The polls that you reference are regarding public opinion of the Health Care law alone and do not address the concept of allowing the Government to shut down because of it.
If you look at the detailed notes of the Quinnipiac poll they provide further information regarding how the public views the relationship between the ACA and the shutting down of the Government.



My point was that in some cases redistricting can create a constituency that is skewed in favor of the views of the Congressman who benefited from the redistricting efforts. This can create a situation where the number of e-mails and other contacts in a single district can show stronger support of a particular issue than would be seen in a national poll. IMHO of course.
That's all.

Same can be said for the district in Michigan that, prior to this year, was "Dingell" territory. The district was originally set up to give Dingell a "larger" area. MOST in the district were Democrat leaning and by putting the few rural areas into the district it effectively negated the rural vote.

The NEW district, Michigan District 7, is primarily rural. We now have, for the first time in decades, the ability to vote for someone, regardless of party, who would more represent our view.

Our congressman, Tim Walberg, knows very well that the vast majority in his district want rid of Obama Care, along with MANY other intrusive government programs. He is voting as his district is instructing him to do. VERY clearly instructing him to do. Dingell is doing the same in his now, primarily urban, district. Both districts are now better served. The vote in congress now reflects the views of far more rural voters in Michigan than it did before. Again, giving a far more accurate picture of what the voters in Michigan really feel.
 
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