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OntarioVanMan

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Exactly...a carrier has to dip into their line of credit to give the truck a line of credit...and that costs money....PLUS there is a cost to the carrier to service the transaction which would increase the cost....
Does anyone think a carrier should have someone on staff to provide a free service to help run your business??
 

LDB

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Exactly...a carrier has to dip into their line of credit to give the truck a line of credit...and that costs money....PLUS there is a cost to the carrier to service the transaction which would increase the cost....
Does anyone think a carrier should have someone on staff to provide a free service to help run your business??

Conversely, do you think it would be fair for a bank to charge 390% interest on your loan? If you believe 390% is fair then the company policy is also fair and there's no discussion. If you wouldn't pay that to the bank then why should you have to pay it to your company?
 

chefdennis

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The fee charged is what it is...you don't stay in business EXCHANGING money...yes the carrier profits from it, as they should...geez..every person here is looking to make as much money as they can, we all complain about "cheap Freight" and when it isn't profitable enough to our trucks we won't...so what should a carrier advance money and not make a profit??? And if you don't see that then chances are you are going to see that whatever they charge is up to them....they ara not a bank, so they do not fall under the controls of the banking industry...

As OVM wrotte, you could be waiting until the carrier gets paid for them to pay you......and i can tell you, those that haul government loads...the gov ( city, state, county, and fed ) can take up to 120 days to pay.....and most big companies (i am not speaking of the transportation business as i haven;t dealt with them on billing issues) can take up to 45-60 , and some companies will offer a discount to get a company of 1 to 3% to get paid in 17-30 days...should you get paid based on the discounted rate??? bet most of us would agree to that!! LOL, right....

As was said, advances use to be a courtesy, you can bet it changed as the markets and profits changed....now if your company offeres it, they are entitlted to a profit and the amoun they advance...i'll ask, who gets to say how much they should charge??? How much is too much and how do you get to that #???

Remember we are taking CV/Sprinters/Cubes, not ST, or Tractors...that is a totally different deal because of the dollar amounts...if a person doesn't set up his business to make sure they always have enough for gas, (less then $100 for the most part for a tank of gas) then he should have no expectations of the carrier keeping him in business.......
 

chefdennis

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these carriers are not banks, they are not taking in savings account money , checking account money sell bonds and all the other financial instrurments that do to invest to make money...these companies are working on a line of credit and investor money for the most part..as i said, no company can stay in business EXCHANGING money....any advance from their money reserves needs to be charged for...and interest is to be paid....the amount of interest is set by the carrier....again who gets to say how much is too much....the O/O or driver...yes they can say any rate is too much, by not using it......it really is that simple.....
 

OntarioVanMan

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Conversely, do you think it would be fair for a bank to charge 390% interest on your loan? If you believe 390% is fair then the company policy is also fair and there's no discussion. If you wouldn't pay that to the bank then why should you have to pay it to your company?

Maybe it is not fair but life ain't fair neither..thing is drivers/owners know the charge and if they accept it..that is their issue. No one is forcing them to run that way...

If you like your carrier and they have this little bump..then the responsibility falls on the operator to find alternative cash flow solutions....
 
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DcShuffler

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Why should I have to dip into my personal savings account to run someone elses freight? I think there should be an advance program available to drivers "one with a reasonable service charge!" I personally like the Express-1 model where they pay you 45% of the linehaul pay right after you pick up the freight.

It is not a matter of one being irresponsible with their money but it is rather an issue of keeping your monies in the right places. Companies should pay for your fuel for each and every run at minimum. That way you can keep your fuel money separated from your personal money. That is just my opinion!
 

OntarioVanMan

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Why should I have to dip into my personal savings account to run someone elses freight? I think there should be an advance program available to drivers "one with a reasonable service charge!" I personally like the Express-1 model where they pay you 45% of the linehaul pay right after you pick up the freight.

It is not a matter of one being irresponsible with their money but it is rather an issue of keeping your monies in the right places. Companies should pay for your fuel for each and every run at minimum. That way you can keep your fuel money separated from your personal money. That is just my opinion!

You've gotta be kidding me?
Why should I have to dip into my personal savings account to run someone elses freight?

because you run a business....and it is YOUR freight...Express 1 is only an agent between the customer and yourself.

You do NOT work for Express 1...you are contracted to them to find you loads and pay them a fee for doing so..if they do not proform satisfactorily you move unto a carrier that will...they do not pay you a cent...the customer pays you thru E-1.
 

jaminjim

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The Carriers are not providing an advance as a favor,they also don't pay as quick as they do cause they want to. They know that the average O/O doesn't have the funds to properly bankroll their operation.

My opinion that they charge excessively (also my opinion) high rates is because they know that for the most part they can replace a van in about one second. How often do you hear that the carriers are not putting on Straight Trucks or Tractor Trailers?
 

chefdennis

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DcShuffler wrote:

Why should I have to dip into my personal savings account to run someone elses freight? I think there should be an advance program available to drivers "one with a reasonable service charge!" I personally like the Express-1 model where they pay you 45% of the linehaul pay right after you pick up the freight.

It is not a matter of one being irresponsible with their money but it is rather an issue of keeping your monies in the right places. Companies should pay for your fuel for each and every run at minimum. That way you can keep your fuel money separated from your personal money. That is just my opinion!

LOL!!!! Gee why not make the carrier pay for your truck too haul "someone elses freight" you really don't understand this business do you!?!? You want to be an employee, go get a union drivers job.... LOL, oh to he*ll with it....WHAT OVM said!!!! That explains it ....:rolleyes:

LOL, i was going to get political here, but its just not worth it, and besides this is the wrong forum.....lol
 

Turtle

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"because you run a business....and it is YOUR freight...Express 1 is only an agent between the customer and yourself."

Technically, that's not true if you are running under their authority. They are an agent, and you do take surety bond virtual ownership of the freight once it goes on your truck and are financially responsible to a degree for the freight,but they are also a carrier to whom you are leasing your equipment to, and as such it makes it their freight.


"You do NOT work for Express 1...you are contracted to them to find you loads and pay them a fee for doing so.."


That fee is for a lot more than simply finding you loads. Among other things, it also covers collections and factoring, expressly so that you can get paid faster than the paying customer is willing to pay. As jaminjim said, the carriers pay out at the speed they do because they want to, and because they can, and it's way easy to do that if you can convince your contractors that it's either (a) a good thing that you should wait at long as you do for your money, or (b) that's it's really, really, necessary that you have to wait for it.

Actually, and no one is going to do this, but actually, if they tell you that they can't pay you for 2-3 weeks because their customers don't pay them for 2-3 weeks, then, actually, they should be refunding you the roughly extra 10% that you're paying them to factor your loads. LOL

But, a realistic compromise is getting 45% of the line haul as POD money. And it should be paid to you without you having to incur an additional fee to get it.

Here's a kewl slight of hand. Some carriers will offer you a choice of contracts. With Contract A, you get POD advances on every load, but your total line haul will always be reduced by a small percentage in order to cover the burden of them paying you your money more quickly. With Contract B, you won't get automatic POD advances at all. POD advances would still be available, but for a fee, of course, except it's at a rate that even Tony Soprano wouldn't charge. However, your line hauls would be paid out at a small percentage higher than normal, so you'll be getting paid more to not take regular advances. Sounds good, right? Yay. Mo money, mo money, mo money!

While they're doing all that with the left hand, the right hand of over there paying out line hauls that are not even based on 100% of the line haul, but on 95% of the line haul, so they're taking 5% right off the top of every load as it is. Hey, they got expenses, ya know.

Some carriers pay 60% or the line haul, or 58%, instead of the more standard rate of 62%. If they pay less than 62% of the line haul, and the line haul isn't even of 100%, then they're skimming off both ends of the load. It's all about whatever they can get their contractors to agree to. It's all good. Many, many carriers go even further and employ the equally legal (tho no less scummy) practice of filtering the line hauls through one or more in-house brokerages, so that the in-house broker becomes the customer and your percentage of the line haul will be paid off of that line haul rather than the tariff the originating customer is paying. Kewl. Some carriers just pay a flat rate per mile regardless of what the line haul is, and the rate they pay may or may not be anywhere close to 62%, and more often than not it's less than you' get with a percentage contract, anyway.

All this is just to illustrate that, no matter how much Kool-Aid you are drinking and want to think otherwise, you're carrier will, absolutely, take advantage of you, especially if you are a willing participant in the venture.
 

chefdennis

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yea the next thing you know the turbo timmy and barry will be looking into the exessive profits that Expediting Carriers are making off the poor O/O and drivers....:rolleyes: Maybe this industry is becoming just like "big oil" and their massive ugly greedy profits...oh and lets not forget insurance companies, and auto exc's, and wall st money managers and bankster and......:rolleyes:
 

x06col

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Why should I have to dip into my personal savings account to run someone elses freight? I think there should be an advance program available to drivers "one with a reasonable service charge!" I personally like the Express-1 model where they pay you 45% of the linehaul pay right after you pick up the freight.

It is not a matter of one being irresponsible with their money but it is rather an issue of keeping your monies in the right places. Companies should pay for your fuel for each and every run at minimum. That way you can keep your fuel money separated from your personal money. That is just my opinion!

Yes Greg it is still silly. Guess there will always be folks whom don't view their business as "their" business. "Someone elses freight"?? Ain't that sweet????
 

Dynamite 1

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yes, this is getting silly. it seems to me as i stated before and as it seems keeps getting overlooked. this is a courtesy that carriers provide, while saying this it is also one that the industry has long had a pattern of providing. with pattern being the objective word. so long in fact that it has almost become expected, and that is the problem. while i see both sides, there is still rite and wrong and the ability of the persons using this courtesy to make a choice as to continue or not. however, if a carrier is going to charge a fee it should not be exhorbanent. if it is done to influence o/o from using it then just do away with it. bolt did not always charge a fee. in 2001 they were in terrible financial shape had only 6 st. trucks in the fleet { i know this because i was there } but offered this courtesy at no charge and have continued to for a while atleast. yes noboby has the rite to say who can charge and how much. that i agree with 100% but one would like to think that the carrier you are leased onto thinks more of you than a way to make extra money. all i am saying is with all the other ranting and raving over this is your business { which it is } and and when money is or is not earned and all the rest, practices like this are rite if the % is reasonable and wrong when they are so high that obvious and unjustified profit is made. sure let them cover their costs and even a % or so, but carriers should do as much as they can for retention purposes. that is what all of these courtesies were originally intended for and they have somehow strayed away from this thought to a revolving door mentality. so with all that being said and understanding both sides can we atleast all agree that whether charging or not that there is a rite and a wrong way to do it.
 

kg

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Yes Greg it is still silly. Guess there will always be folks whom don't view their business as "their" business. "Someone elses freight"?? Ain't that sweet????

Ya hit the nail on the head as usual col.
 

BULLRUSH

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When i signed my lease agreement with LANDSTAR EXPRESS AMERICA it stated that as a BCO i can get an advanced up to 35% of the gross if i need it for running expences.Thats my right...if i need it Landstar has to give it no exceptions. ps if you have to wait 2-weeks to get any money thats your own dumb fault to be leased on with SUCH A DONKEY CARRIER in the 1st place what BCO would survive ...GLAD I'M NOT LEASED ON WITH A DONKEY CARRIER. WHEN I EXCEPT A LOAD I DEAL WITH LANDSTAR NOT THE CUSTOMER ...IF LANDSTAR HAS A PROBLEM WITH A CUSTOMER NOT PAYING/REFUSING TO PAY THEIR BILL... LANDSTAR TAKES CARE OF IT... NOT THE BCO PROBLEM.
 
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BULLRUSH

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no money for 2-weeks hope they get their freight delivered but if they don't LANDSTAR will be right there to provide uninterupted service because they make sure drivers have enough money to get the freight there hahahahahhahahahaha
 
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BULLRUSH

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RLENT isnt to bright if thats his STANCE WON'T SURVIVE UNLESS HE'S NOT TRYING TO MAKE A LIVING
 
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RLENT

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RLENT isnt to bright if thats his STANCE WON'T SURVIVE UNLESS HE'S NOT TRYING TO MAKE A LIVING OUT HERE
Well there Bunky .... I've managed to make it out here three plus years so far ..... in what one might say hasn't been the greatest of business environments ....

I'm glad that your choice of carriers is working out for you. Landstar certainly has some advantages and things to recommend it - but it isn't necessarily the carrier for everyone:

This past summer I spent a weekend with a Landstar BCO who was running a Sprinter. He had been with Landstar for, IIRC, around 10 years maybe ? He was crying the blues - mostly about the fact that he was down to about 1 run per week. I'm sure that's not every BCO's experience, but it was his.

I know of several other folks that are, or were, on with Landstar - one didn't make it, bailing after a few months, and another who isn't real happy with how things had been lately (last time I talked to this individual was some months ago, so I dunno .... could be different now)

Originally, my (main) problem with this thread came about when an O/O posted, whining about being charged what he felt was an excessive percentage for an advance. (if you will notice the post in question has now been deleted, with no explanation)

While I didn't necessarily disagree that the percentage was excessive (I certainly wouldn't pay it) what I really had a problem with was the fact that the individual so complaining had signed a contract and agreed to the percentage. (Which of course assumes that he actually read the contract he signed - believe it or not I have met a few who have signed contracts that they either had not read, or had read and did not fully understand - something which just boogles my mind ....)

To come on here later and whine about it is a complete abdication of personal responsibility on the part of the individual who was complaining. He didn't have to sign that contract, he didn't have to sign on with that carrier - no one held a gun to his head and forced him to do it (as far as we know :D)

So given that fact - that he agreed to it - my view is that he should have just kept a cork in his cake hole and lived up to his end of the bargain.

Because it was he that is responsible for having made that agreement in the first place.

post this on the wrong forum sorry

no i didn't my bad....
..... and you're worried about me making it ? ..... shyeah ..... :rolleyes:
 
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