I was Listening to Beck this Morning as I was working on my Boat (The Other Guy Had it On) And I Heard a Speech that "Michelle" was Giving to the Gay and Lesbian Group when she started talking about Aids, She Said that "Barack" Did the Right Thing by Getting checked Before Going to: "HIS HOME COUNTRY KENYA"! Kind of a Tell Tale Statement wouldn't you Say?
Michelle Let the Cat Out of the Bag
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You are assuming that anyone cares? Man, like they care about the shredding of our Constitution. It makes no difference where he/she/it might have been born if you ignore that pesky thing called our Constitution. Obama ignores it, that is for sure.
Yeah, so do I, but then, anyone who professes believe in our Constitution is a right wing wacko and must be consdidered a potential terrorist by the Obama IN-justice department. Along with gun owners, veterans and other such "bad people".
Yeah, so do I, but then, anyone who professes believe in our Constitution is a right wing wacko and must be consdidered a potential terrorist by the Obama IN-justice department. Along with gun owners, veterans and other such "bad people".
Pitiful Isn't It?
I find it odd that you would interpret her statement that way. I was born right here in Charlotte, but if you were to ask about my "home country", the answer would be Scotland. My ancestors' were from Scotland; Obamas' were from Kenya. Where's the problem?
My home country is the country where I was born, where I live and the one that I support and defend. Any other country is part of my family heritage, nothing more. I owe allegence to one Nation, my "Home Country" the United States of America. That is how it should be.
On top of that not ALL of Obama's parents were from Kenya, so saying that Obama's ancestors were from Kenya is only half correct.
That's considered your "native country" and not your home country. In a country of immigrants and descendants of immigrants, the "home country" is from where your ancestors originated. It's been in that frame of reference ever since people started coming here.
That's why it's called the home country, or sometimes the mother country.
Yup
I have three home countries, and will refer to any one of the three as my home country. Sometimes I'll list all three as a single entity as being my home country.
The problem, of course, are the wackos pulling at whatever appears to be a loose thread in the hopes of unraveling the emperor's old clothes.
"The problem, of course, are the wackos pulling at whatever appears to be a loose thread in the hopes of unraveling the emperor's old clothes."
The problem is that Obama is a slimey, Chicago machine politician who cannot be trusted in ANY way shape or form. He is a marxist who has little respect for this Nation. Therefor, he cannot be trusted.
Why is it that those of us who don't trust this wacko of a president are considered wackos? He is the marxist. I find it hard to believe that not believed a career liar is considered strange.
The problem is that Obama is a slimey, Chicago machine politician who cannot be trusted in ANY way shape or form. He is a marxist who has little respect for this Nation. Therefor, he cannot be trusted.
Why is it that those of us who don't trust this wacko of a president are considered wackos? He is the marxist. I find it hard to believe that not believed a career liar is considered strange.
I never said that those who don't trust him are wackos simply by virtue of their mistrust. It's the wackos who are looking at every nutjob angle they can come up with, including making some up, to try and "get him".
I don't trust him either, and I will criticize him when necessary. But I at least have enough respect for the office and the position, not to mention my fellow citizens, to criticize without being disrespectful, like calling him silly names. Like it or not, and I don't, he is after all the President of the United States of America and the Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces, and I have no desire to devalue the position and thus my country by being overtly disrespectful. I learned that from watching the Viet Nam protesters in the 60's, actually, who were both disrespectful and damaging to my country.
I don't trust him either, and I will criticize him when necessary. But I at least have enough respect for the office and the position, not to mention my fellow citizens, to criticize without being disrespectful, like calling him silly names. Like it or not, and I don't, he is after all the President of the United States of America and the Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces, and I have no desire to devalue the position and thus my country by being overtly disrespectful. I learned that from watching the Viet Nam protesters in the 60's, actually, who were both disrespectful and damaging to my country.
I respect the office, not him. I can call him sillly names, most of them are true.
As to him being Commander in Chief, that is in name only. There is a large number in the military who do not, at least right now, look at him as their commander.
I would not if I were serving now. Not only because of the "birth certificate" thing, but mainly because he 100% unqualified to be in that position. No professional soldier would trust him, at least not in my opinion. None that I have spoken with, and I speak to many, do.
As I have stated before, there are discussions between soldiers that remind one of the period just prior to the start of the Civil War. They are deciding among themselves who would fight or not if another civil war breaks out soon. How sad. How very sad. Even during the 70's when I served in the military, as bad as it got, I never heard those kinds of converstations. This is the man/president that was going to bring us together?
I trust him less than I trusted Clinton and I did not trust that liar as far as I could throw him. His election was the last straw for me. That is when I quit. I could not serve under him or anyone like him. I could never serve under Obama. I don't believe in anything that he believes in. He stands for everything that I stood against for my 20 years of service. His ideas are exactly what I fought against.
I show him, not the office, as much respect as he shows me, my country and my way of life. NONE!!
And no, you did NOT say that just because someone mistrusts him that makes them a wacko. I did not mean to imply that you did. It was a retorical question.
In politics, more than anywhere, things are rarely totally black or white. All encompassing statements sound like dogma, and namecalling further diminishes one's credibility.
The things I read here, from Americans, scare the stuffing out of me, because civility is nowhere in evidence, much of the time.
Civil unrest is a tremendous danger to this country, and I think civility matters more now than ever, but we seem to be going in the opposite direction.
I understand the frustration, but don't think much is accomplished by looking for nits to pick, or acting like undisciplined children who didn't get their way.
Now, go ahead & proclaim "the other side" started it, [or behaves just as badly] sigh...
The things I read here, from Americans
, scare the stuffing out of me, because civility is nowhere in evidence, much of the time.Civil unrest is a tremendous danger to this country, and I think civility matters more now than ever, but we seem to be going in the opposite direction.
I understand the frustration, but don't think much is accomplished by looking for nits to pick, or acting like undisciplined children who didn't get their way.
Now, go ahead & proclaim "the other side" started it, [or behaves just as badly] sigh...
In politics, more than anywhere, things are rarely totally black or white. All encompassing statements sound like dogma, and namecalling further diminishes one's credibility.
The things I read here, from Americans
Civil unrest is a tremendous danger to this country, and I think civility matters more now than ever, but we seem to be going in the opposite direction.
I understand the frustration, but don't think much is accomplished by looking for nits to pick, or acting like undisciplined children who didn't get their way.
Now, go ahead & proclaim "the other side" started it, [or behaves just as badly] sigh...
No, the "other side" did not start it. Our politicians did, all of them. The ignoring of our Constitution scares many and for very good reason.
That document is one of the most amazing works ever written. So unheard of in history. A document that limits the power of the Federal Government and retains 100% of the Rights for the States and primarily the People!!
That document, and our way of live, is in grave danger. Let us assume, for the sake of argument only, that Obama is NOT a legal U.S. citizen. To allow him to remain in office would negate the Constitution and all of his power as Commander in Chief at the same time.
Let us assume, for the sake of arguement only, that the 10th amendment does prohibit the Federal Government from imposing fines and requiring an individual citizen to purchase health insurance. Which is more important? The freedoms that our Constitution demands are reserved for the People or the new law?
Sometimes things are black and white. Sometimes they are not.
As our elected officials continue to fragment the People, to drive wedges between them, to at least on the surface, ignore that Constitution, those kinds of discussions will not only continue but they will increase and become more heated.
RLENT
Veteran Expediter
I can't speak to distrust aspect, except to say that I don't consider you a wacko at all for distrusting him ...... I don't trust him either ..... not in the least ....... since I, like you, have an inherent distrust of politicians (although unlike you, I also have an inherent distrust of any government official, elected or otherwise, civilian or military)
However, I will say that I find it rather ironic that as someone who had a career in the intelligence community - a broad community which has been repeatedly shown to have lied and misled the Amercian people (which in essence subverts democracy) that you scream so loud and so often ....
Might just be one of them "methinks thee doth protest too loudly" things ......
I understand that you personally may not have engaged in this type of conduct yourself - I really have no reason to believe otherwise - nonetheless, it may be an example of what happens on a broad basis once starts down the slippery slope ....
RLENT
Veteran Expediter
BTW, just to be clear - I am of the opinion that it is entirely possible that Obama is in fact not a US Citizen ...... and I think that if that were indeed the case, that it would be horrible for this country - not because of who he is, but for the very reasons that the Founders were concerned about.
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I can't speak to distrust aspect, except to say that I don't consider you a wacko at all for distrusting him ...... I don't trust him either ..... not in the least ....... since I, like you, have an inherent distrust of politicians (although unlike you, I also have an inherent distrust of any government official, elected or otherwise, civilian or military)
However, I will say that I find it rather ironic that as someone who had a career in the intelligence community - a broad community which has been repeatedly shown to have lied and misled the Amercian people (which in essence subverts democracy) that you scream so loud and so often ....
Might just be one of them "methinks thee doth protest too loudly" things ......
I understand that you personally may not have engaged in this type of conduct yourself - I really have no reason to believe otherwise - nonetheless, it may be an example of what happens on a broad basis once starts down the slippery slope ....
Some, not all, of what some call "lies" told by the intell community are and were needed. Needed to proctect sorces, both tech and human.
Some, not all, of what some call "lies" were told to mislead an enemy.
I have no doubt that some, but not most, intell agents got and get out of control.
I do believe, however, that most of the problems that go on in the agencies are due to official from the Executive and Legislative branches using them for their own needs and agendas.
I will first blame the politician, then look to see if the agencies or a few agents got out of control.
Having worked with so many of those people I found that the vast majority of them are good, honest people. They did their jobs to the best of their ability and with great integrity. They took great pride in the awsome honor and responsibility of protecting one of the most amazing documents ever written, Our Constitution. It may be the most important political document ever written.
Keep in mind, if it made the news it is not the norm.
a little twink that none of the founders were American citizens..
They were after the country was formed!!
You know, I don't know who swore them in. I can't say that I remember that from history. Any out there remember?
That is my reason for concern as well. I would be just as concerned if it were someone, who on the surface, agreed with my beliefs. It has nothing to do with the man himself.