Md. judge rules Stolen Valor Act unconstitutional

Camper

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This being an issue that's near and dare to me, I think this is yet another example of how the Retardplicans and Dumbocrats continue to aid and abet this cess pit of a court system.


Md. judge rules Stolen Valor Act unconstitutional | Emily Babay | Crime & Punishment | Washington Examiner

Md. judge rules Stolen Valor Act unconstitutional
By: Emily Babay | Examiner Staff Writer | Follow her: @emilybabay | 09/05/11 8:05 PM
.A judge has dismissed a case against a former Silver Spring man accused of lying about his military honors, ruling that the law he was charged with violating is unconstitutional.
In throwing out the case against Aaron Lawless, U.S. Magistrate Judge Thomas DiGirolamo is the fourth federal judge to weigh in on the constitutionality of the Stolen Valor Act -- a debate making its way to the Supreme Court.

A criminal complaint says Lawless falsely told the gun manufacturer Glock that he had suffered combat injuries in Iraq while serving in the Marine Corps and Army, earning a Silver Star, four Purple Hearts and two Bronze Stars. Glock then named him its hero of the year, awarding him a trip to a Las Vegas gun show and engraved pistols.

The act, which became law in 2006, makes it illegal for someone to falsely claim to hold military honors or decorations.

Lawless' attorneys sought to have his case dismissed, arguing that the law violates the First Amendment.

DiGirolamo agreed, writing in his opinion that the act is a too-broad regulation of speech.

"In its present form, the Act punishes all false statements about the receipt of military honors, including the malicious, the reckless, the mistaken and the innocent," he wrote. The opinion later notes that prosecutors don't need "to prove that the false statement was knowingly made by the speaker, that the statement was made with the intent to deceive anyone, or that the statement actually caused harm to the reputation of military honors."

Federal courts have split on the law's constitutionality.

A judge in Virginia upheld the law; a Colorado judge struck it down. The California-based 9th Circuit Court of Appeals found the law unconstitutional last year, and the government asked the U.S. Supreme Court to take the case last month.

A bill is pending in the House of Representatives that would narrow the law and make it a crime to lie about military awards for financial gain.

Prosecutors in Lawless' case intend to appeal the ruling, according to a court filing. A spokeswoman for the U.S. Attorney's Office for Maryland declined to comment further. In court papers, prosecutors argued that the speech the act bans isn't protected by the First Amendment.

Court documents say Lawless made the false claims to Glock when he was working part-time at Atlantic Guns in Silver Spring while receiving treatment at Walter Reed Medical Center.

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scottm4211

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I don't know that a law needs to be on the books for people who are incredible douchebags. That alone should be enough. Just charge them with fraud.
 

Camper

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I don't know that a law needs to be on the books for people who are incredible douchebags. That alone should be enough. Just charge them with fraud.

You make a good point in some respects. I'm all in favor of free speach and all. However, there needs to be certain exceptions, one being acts that compromise the sanctity of the honor associated with the sacrifices veterans have made and continue to make.



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tbubster

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It is sad that with out laws like this people run scams on the good hearted people of this country.This guy should be in prison.This man made himself out to be a war hero when he was not.Here is a link with a little more about the man and the governments case.


http://washingtonexaminer.com/local...ring-man-charged-lying-about-military-service.


Perhaps whats even more sad is the fact that some courts are saying it is a persons free speech right to lie about his/her combat role.IMHO this is not free speech this is just a guy lieing and wanting attion he did not earn.
 

Camper

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It is sad that with out laws like this people run scams on the good hearted people of this country.This guy should be in prison.This man made himself out to be a war hero when he was not.Here is a link with a little more about the man and the governments case.


http://washingtonexaminer.com/local...ring-man-charged-lying-about-military-service.


Perhaps whats even more sad is the fact that some courts are saying it is a persons free speech right to lie about his/her combat role.IMHO this is not free speech this is just a guy lieing and wanting attion he did not earn.

Yep...I guess you can add scum bags to the protected class status list....


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layoutshooter

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Just another scam artist. Free speech problem? Was that judge drunk or high? I think that judge and that bum should be turned over to the vets they dishonor.
 

Camper

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Just another scam artist. Free speech problem? Was that judge drunk or high? I think that judge and that bum should be turned over to the vets they dishonor.

I'd probably be banned from this forum if I stated what I'd like to do to this punk.



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Pilgrim

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The decision stinks, but it's probably best not to get too excited about it. It's just another step toward the Supreme Court, which was exactly what the prosecutors anticipated.
 

layoutshooter

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The decision stinks, but it's probably best not to get too excited about it. It's just another step toward the Supreme Court, which was exactly what the prosecutors anticipated.

It would STILL be fun to...............................
 

greg334

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Sorry to ruffle feathers, free speech trumps any issue that may restrict it.

In this case, Glock is the one to blame, not the person who lied. It was their job to do Due Diligence in order to properly vet the guy and they failed. The guy didn't go out and pursue glock or pay anyone off in doing so, he represented himself as something that he wasn't and glock bit.

No matter how you cut it, when you apply restrictions to any and all of our freedoms for trivial reasons - this is trivial - you allow others to find more reasons for more restrictions.

IF the SC hears the case, then they may side with the 1st amendment and force congress to go back and reexamine the intent of the amendment.
 

layoutshooter

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Sorry to ruffle feathers, free speech trumps any issue that may restrict it.

In this case, Glock is the one to blame, not the person who lied. It was their job to do Due Diligence in order to properly vet the guy and they failed. The guy didn't go out and pursue glock or pay anyone off in doing so, he represented himself as something that he wasn't and glock bit.

No matter how you cut it, when you apply restrictions to any and all of our freedoms for trivial reasons - this is trivial - you allow others to find more reasons for more restrictions.

IF the SC hears the case, then they may side with the 1st amendment and force congress to go back and reexamine the intent of the amendment.


Free speech does NOT imply a right to LIE. Give it a rest. You are in your "contrary mode" again. We know the routine. LOL!
 

Camper

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Sorry to ruffle feathers, free speech trumps any issue that may restrict it.

In this case, Glock is the one to blame, not the person who lied. It was their job to do Due Diligence in order to properly vet the guy and they failed. The guy didn't go out and pursue glock or pay anyone off in doing so, he represented himself as something that he wasn't and glock bit.

No matter how you cut it, when you apply restrictions to any and all of our freedoms for trivial reasons - this is trivial - you allow others to find more reasons for more restrictions.

IF the SC hears the case, then they may side with the 1st amendment and force congress to go back and reexamine the intent of the amendment.

I'm all about protecting and preserving the Bill of rights but this is one of those rare exceptions.

I understand where you're coming from regarding the camel's nose under the tent syndrome with respect to restrictions on free speach.

However, there are and have always been exceptions such as slander or inciteful speach. The Stolen Valor act, IMO is very much a warranted exception. The dishonor those posers have and continue to do to a countless number of folks who have put their lives on the line for this country is anything but trivial.



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tbubster

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Well sorry there GREG but the guy did in fact go to glock and lie not the other way around.Freedom of speach does not protect people making a financial gain from a lie.he got a trip to vegas the man is scum.And you are wrong on this one.


Layout and camper we better cool it otherwise they will start talking about our FAKE OUTRAGE over this!!
 

layoutshooter

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Well sorry there GREG but the guy did in fact go to glock and lie not the other way around.Freedom of speach does not protect people making a financial gain from a lie.he got a trip to vegas the man is scum.And you are wrong on this one.


Layout and camper we better cool it otherwise they will start talking about our FAKE OUTRAGE over this!!


I NEVER fake outrage. I have "PURE" outrage!!! :p
 

Tennesseahawk

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I have to agree with Greg. If someone lies on their application, it's up to the prospective employer to catch it. Likewise in this case. The guy had 4 purple hearts? 3 is usually a ticket home. Red flag #1. Yes, if there's financial gain involved, fraud is the crime. Why not just charge him with fraud, instead of some specific BS law that is essentially the same as fraud?

Sorry... gotta run. I have to put my moon rocks on the shelf next to the Zulu shield I got from fighting in the Boer War. Those Zulus had no chance against my M-16! I have the Nation of Islam medal to prove it, if you want to see it. :cool:
 

Camper

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I have to agree with Greg. If someone lies on their application, it's up to the prospective employer to catch it. Likewise in this case. The guy had 4 purple hearts? 3 is usually a ticket home. Red flag #1. Yes, if there's financial gain involved, fraud is the crime. Why not just charge him with fraud, instead of some specific BS law that is essentially the same as fraud?

Sorry... gotta run. I have to put my moon rocks on the shelf next to the Zulu shield I got from fighting in the Boer War. Those Zulus had no chance against my M-16! I have the Nation of Islam medal to prove it, if you want to see it. :cool:

It's not just a matter of lying. The other, perhaps bigger matter is the stealing of honor. Whether it involves financial gain or not, honor is an intangible that can and has been stolen.
 
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greg334

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Wow I spend my day not driving and not making money and look what happens.

Free speech does NOT imply a right to LIE. Give it a rest. You are in your "contrary mode" again. We know the routine. LOL!

Well first, I won't give it a rest when people try to twist rights into something that serves a narrow purpose, either you defend all of it or none of it. Not taking an opposing point of view to add balance, it is the way I feel.

I'm all about protecting and preserving the Bill of rights but this is one of those rare exceptions.

Well I would normally say you are on the right track but I can't. The problem many seem to have is first they take a stand and scream that our constitution is being attacked and then add "oh but there are exceptions". In this case, there isn't just cause for any exception on the grounds of offending someone.

I understand where you're coming from regarding the camel's nose under the tent syndrome with respect to restrictions on free speach.

I don't know if you are really understanding it because if you did, you will see where the trivial part of this is.

However, there are and have always been exceptions such as slander or inciteful speach.

Well not exactly.

First inciteful speech is one part that is judged in its context, not just a blanket statement. There has to be an intent and action that followed and the effect has to be actually damaging to specific people, not a group or what ever.

The second part of this is slander which is judged by the person it is being made against, it may be legal to slander someone until the person who is a target takes the issue to court, then it is a civil matter.

The Stolen Valor act, IMO is very much a warranted exception. The dishonor those posers have and continue to do to a countless number of folks who have put their lives on the line for this country is anything but trivial.

Sorry but the act is both offensive to me and those who see it as an attack on freedoms by interjecting a law to protect anyone who is now a protected class of people. It further subjects us, the people to something that we are supposed to be above, not below - the military and it is pretty much something that is misplaced because the act of lying does no one any harm. It may be insulting but not harmful.

Well sorry there GREG but the guy did in fact go to glock and lie not the other way around.

Well sorry but Glock is at fault, it is the same thing as if I were to say in this forum that I have an MBA and then I get a job offer from say FedEx. It is their call to check me out and if I get hired without them requiring any further proof, I can not be held liable for any fraud based on them reading that forum posting.

Freedom of speach does not protect people making a financial gain from a lie.he got a trip to vegas the man is scum.And you are wrong on this one.

Well it does and it does every day without exception. From bad reporting to people who setup blogs with fictional lives - all seem to make money and all are protected by the first amendment.

Layout and camper we better cool it otherwise they will start talking about our FAKE OUTRAGE over this!!

I'm truly upset with the guy's actions too but I also am really p*ssed off at Glock because that is who has the real burden here, no one else.

But Greg needs all the help he can get these days. :D

Hey! WTH Larry?!? ;)

It's not just a matter of lying. The other, perhaps bigger matter is the stealing of honor. Whether it involves financial gain or not, honor is an intangible that can and has been stolen.

Honor?

Where does this country define it and who does the defining?

Honor can't be stolen, it is gained and only the person who gains it can choose to lose it by their actions.

Many put too much emphasis on the idea that people who do things that are above and beyond are the ones in uniform and are the only ones who earn any honor, which is not true.
 
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