Man forced son to carry 23# rock

asjssl

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Cops: Man forced son to carry huge stone for miles

DOUGLASVILLE, Ga. — Police arrested a father on child cruelty charges after the man punished his 16-year-old son by making him carry a 23-pound landscape stone for several miles. Charlie Mayes, a 40-year-old military veteran with no criminal record, told police he used military-style punishment because his son watched too many videos and didn't do his chores and school work. Douglasville Police charged Mayes on Tuesday with first-degree child cruelty. "This was done multiple times over a three-day period, sometimes as early as 3 o'clock in the morning," Police Sgt. Todd Garner said. Garner said the boy, who is only 4'2" tall, was also punished in-between the 3-mile hikes.



http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/05/28/father-charged-teen-carried-landscape-stone

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Bet he listens to his father now..

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Dad charged for forcing teen to carry landscape stone

"Military style punishment" is what works best for the military's goals, but parents have [or should] a different outcome to work towards.
Teaching a child the wrong in spending too much time playing video games, at the expense of more important activities, is not likely accomplished by forcing them to spend a great deal of time engaged in pointless activity. And pointless activity that risks injuring the child is seriously wrongheaded.
All Dad has taught him is to ask 'how high?' when Dad says 'jump!', which certainly makes Dad feel proud, but is that all Dad wants to teach?
 

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Dad charged for forcing teen to carry landscape stone

"Military style punishment" is what works best for the military's goals, but parents have [or should] a different outcome to work towards.
Teaching a child the wrong in spending too much time playing video games, at the expense of more important activities, is not likely accomplished by forcing them to spend a great deal of time engaged in pointless activity. And pointless activity that risks injuring the child is seriously wrongheaded.
All Dad has taught him is to ask 'how high?' when Dad says 'jump!', which certainly makes Dad feel proud, but is that all Dad wants to teach?

Okay so poor choice, but criminal charges?
 

layoutshooter

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23lbs? Carp weigh that much. I would have made him bust up the video game first, THEN hiked his butt off and had him carry the rocks. 23LBS and a few 3 mile hikes are not going to hurt a kid. That was well within the normal bounds of everyday play, when I was 6 or 7. Kids today are wimps. Lazy. Mostly the parents fault. They should never buy them those games. They should ONLY have "good" stuff. Footballs, baseballs, hockey stuff, etc etc. They also need FAR less organized crap, they need to PLAY, on their own, take the proper risks, push their own limits.
 

Humble2drive

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I can agree that one of our Governments most important functions is to protect it's citizens.
The authority given to Law Enforcement to carry out that mission is a necessary evil with a high potential for abuse.
This case (if true and complete) represents a concerning slippery slope where a father can be taken from his family based on a subjective emotional opinion by a local LEO.
Seems like an over reach to me and another infringement on our freedoms.
IMHO*:(
 

RLENT

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23lbs? Carp weigh that much.
Which of course pretty much has nothing to do with anything ...

I would have made him bust up the video game first, THEN hiked his butt off and had him carry the rocks. 23LBS and a few 3 mile hikes are not going to hurt a kid. That was well within the normal bounds of everyday play, when I was 6 or 7.
The average weight of a 6 year old is 46.2 pounds ... and the average weight of a 7 year old is 50.6 pounds ...

So a 23 pound rock would be roughly half of his weight, on average.

3 miles huh ?

Double time ?

(BTW: the average weight of a kid of the height mentioned in the story is 70 pounds)

Kids today are wimps.
And many adults are idiots ... some of them even go out of their way to prove it ... regularly ...

They also need FAR less organized crap, they need to PLAY, on their own, take the proper risks, push their own limits.
I sure wouldn't argue with that ...
 
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For clarification the kid was reported as 16 not 6. A small kid for that age for sure.

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RLENT

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For clarification the kid was reported as 16 not 6.
Correct ... I was simply replying to the opining about what "was well within the normal bounds of everyday play" for a 6 or 7 year old ... :rolleyes:

A small kid for that age for sure.
Yup ... and there's probably a whole lot more to the story than has been reported in this article.
 

xiggi

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Does make one wonder if the dad resented the kid in some fashion. I am not against making a kid work hard as punishment but sounds like he should have stuck to the old go clean out the garage routine.

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letsdrive

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Well theres a huge line between punishment and discipline. I believe discipline will produce character punishment just produces anger hatred etc. On side note 23lb rock isn't heavy boy needs to suck it up. Yet on flip side dad sounds like a @$$

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xiggi

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Punishment doesn't always produce anger or hatred. I remember getting paddled by the principal a few times and dad a couple times. I earned it lol.

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letsdrive

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Punishment doesn't always produce anger or hatred. I remember getting paddled by the principal a few times and dad a couple times. I earned it lol.

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I agree I as well but alot of kids these days it does opposite

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Which of course pretty much has nothing to do with anything ...
Well, it gives some people a reference for the weight. But as a practical matter, when you snark at someone because you think their comment has nothing to do with anything, and then offer up this...
The average weight of a 6 year old is 46.2 pounds ... and the average weight of a 7 year old is 50.6 pounds ...
... one can't help but to sense some hypocrisy in the offing. Might as well give us the average weight of a newborn hippo or a 3 week old newt, since we're doing things that pretty much has nothing to do with anything.

So a 23 pound rock would be roughly half of his weight, on average.
His? Who's his? Ah, the undefined pronoun strikes again, as clearly you must be talking about someone other than the kid in the story, because...

As xiggi, the text in the OP, the video at the USA Today link, and every news story on the matter noted, the kid is sixteen, not six or seven.

and because...
(BTW: the average weight of a kid of the height mentioned in the story is 70 pounds)
And the actual weight of the actual kid mentioned in the story is 144-145 pounds.

And many adults are idiots ... some of them even go out of their way to prove it ... regularly ...
I do love a good irony. :D

I'll preface my comments below by stating that I believe a parent should be able to discipline their children any way they see fit, and without any outside interference.

The kid in question is a 16 year old with a history of problems in school going back 3 years. The problems became so bad that the parents finally had to pull him out and homeschool him. The problems continued where he wouldn't complete his education assignments nor his household chores. The rock-carrying make-work punishment is hardly for the purpose of having the kid say, "How high?" when dad says jump. If he didn't learn that by age 6, he isn't likely to learn it at 16. Nor was this a "pointless" activity. It was an activity designed to teach consequences of failed personal discipline and not respecting authority. As was noted earlier, I bet he listens to his father now. Except, he probably won't, since outside interference has cut the parents off at the knees.

While the kid was doing his walking, the father would check in on him frequently, walking along side of him a lot of the time. He was to carry the rock for 3 miles, and do it within 2 hours (or start over from the beginning). He did that 5 times over 3 days. He did it all 5 times within the allotted time. In between hikes he had to move rocks from one side of the back yard to the other, but he did eat and get plenty of sleep over the 3 days. It's a little harsh, but as the father told the judge, nothing else has worked with this kid.

The father would drive him out to a spot, drop the kid off, and then have the kid walk home from there. The only real problem with the punishment is the fact that the route of the 3 mile treks took him down Kings Highway which is kind of a busy road with no sidewalk. Not exactly a safe place for a kid who is fatigued to be walking, but not as bad as some would like to make it. But it's that aspect of it that resulted in the charges.

The kid wasn't injured, so the cop probably should have talked to the father and told him to restrict punishments like this to a more safe and secure area, but the overreach of people telling parents how to discipline their children doesn't allow that.

The real overreach, however, is the charge filed against him by the prosecution: First Degree Child Abuse. Child abuse in the first degree is when a person "maliciously causes a child under the age of 18 cruel or excessive physical or mental pain." Meaning, the father did it specifically and intentionally for the explicit purpose of causing physical or mental pain. In law, malice imports the absence of all elements of justification or excuse and the presence of an actual intent to cause the particular harm produced, or the wanton and willful doing of an act with an awareness of a plain and strong likelihood that such harm may result. The charge of First Degree Child Abuse seems like a charge designed right up front to be plea bargained down to a lesser charge, because it'll be very hard to prove malice.

He told Judge Joel Dodson: "I had tried everything else and nothing seemed to work. I know it may be an adult punishment and he is a 16-year-old boy. It was something we did when I was in the military. The sergeant would have us move rocks. I know how it sounds, but we did that all the time. No one every got hurt moving rocks or hiking with rocks."

He also told the judge he didn't feel it was an inappropriate punishment. His wife told the judge the same thing, as they consulted with each other to determine the child's punishment.

It can certainly be argued the punishment went too far, but I'm not sure it can be argued that it went far enough to demand a punishment not-less-than 5 years and not-more-than 20 years in prison for doing it. That seems almost malicious.
 

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I wonder how much the railroad rails weighed that Homer Hickam and his friends liberated to fund their rocket experiments.
 

RLENT

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Well, it gives some people a reference for the weight. But as a practical matter, when you snark at someone because you think their comment has nothing to do with anything, and then offer up this...

... one can't help but to sense some hypocrisy in the offing. Might as well give us the average weight of a newborn hippo or a 3 week old newt, since we're doing things that pretty much has nothing to do with anything.
We were not discussing newborn hippos or 3 week old newts ... however, 6 or 7 year children were mentioned in the post I was replying to, in the context of appropriate physical burdens ...

His? Who's his? Ah, the undefined pronoun strikes again, as clearly you must be talking about someone other than the kid in the story, because...
Clearly I was - an average male child ... of the age of 6 or 7 ...

As xiggi, the text in the OP, the video at the USA Today link, and every news story on the matter noted, the kid is sixteen, not six or seven.
Yup ... which is certainly pertinent to any discussion of the child mentioned in the story ... but has nothing to do with an average male child of the age of 6 or 7 ... which someone had mentioned, and was what I was actually commenting on ...

and because... And the actual weight of the actual kid mentioned in the story is 144-145 pounds.
Well, I certainly didn't see that mentioned anywhere in the text of the story ... maybe it's in the video portion ? (which I could not get to play)

Or in another article ?

I do love a good irony.
Well, I certainly hope you enjoy them ... wherever you believe that you may have found them ... ;)

I'll preface my comments below by stating that I believe a parent should be able to discipline their children any way they see fit, and without any outside interference.
Interesting theory ... but I'm afraid it seems rather ill-considered, given that it could lead to some rather dark places ...
 

layoutshooter

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I cannot imagine a normal kid, when kids were kids instead of couch potatoes, NOT being able to lift, and carry, AT LEAST 50% of their weight, most more. That kids was only 3 years younger than most who got drafted in my day. IF they could not carry 23lbs, by 16, they would likely have MUCH trouble in basic training.

Kids built forts, tree houses, carried rocks, and who knows what else?

I wonder if that kid was on drugs given to him by a shrink?
 

layoutshooter

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I wonder how much the railroad rails weighed that Homer Hickam and his friends liberated to fund their rocket experiments.

That rail was likely low speed/heavy weight rail. Most likely it was the same rail that we used at the steel mill, 120LB rail. That rail is approx. 120LBS per linear yard.
 
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