Make sure it's paid for

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
I am thinking this could happen with truck dealers as well



Car buyers shocked by unpaid liens

THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

SACRAMENTO, Calif.–The U.S. wave of auto dealership closures has come crashing down on thousands of people who are on the hook for used-car loans that dealers were supposed to absolve.

When a car buyer still owes money on a vehicle he is trading in, the dealer promises to pay off the outstanding loan, then resells the vehicle.

But, as more dealers go out of business, some are sticking consumers with the bill.

Lenders can then go after the previous owner who thought the debt was paid, or repossess the car from the new owner who assumed it came with clear title.

"It's devastating for people when it happens because they have two car payments and they can't afford them," said Rosemary Shahan, president of Consumers for Auto Reliability and Safety.

That's a Sacramento-based non-profit that lobbies on behalf of vehicle owners.

"Their credit is destroyed for no fault of their own because the dealer defaulted."

Regulators in California and other states, including Florida, Iowa and Washington, are seeing a surge in consumer complaints.

They warn the problem is sure to grow this year because of the deepening recession and continued trouble in the auto industry.

About a quarter of all car buyers are vulnerable because they still owe money on their trade-in or lease when they buy another vehicle, according to industry tracker Edmunds.com.

It's become more common for a driver to owe money on a trade-in as people stretch their car payments over six or seven years to make them more affordable.

A few states have programs that require dealers to post substantial insurance bonds to repay victimized car buyers.

Consumers in states with no such program, or a poorly funded one, have little recourse but to sue and hope for at least a small slice of the assets if the dealer has filed for bankruptcy.

Authorities have brought charges in rare cases where they have proof of intentional wrongdoing, but local prosecutors, motor vehicle departments and state attorneys general are paying more attention as the problem grows.

California state Senator Ellen Corbett, a Democrat from San Leandro, has introduced legislation that would require dealers to prove they're paying off a vehicle's lien before transferring the title.

That's already a requirement in some states, said Jason King, spokesman for the American Association of Motor Vehicle Administrators.

Corbett's bill would require auto dealers to post bonds as high as $250,000 with the California Department of Motor Vehicles so liens could be paid off if a dealership collapses.

"It's becoming a serious problem because the consumer, through no fault of their own, may be facing financial ruin just because they purchased a car," Corbett said.

California is hit particularly hard because it has the nation's largest auto market, more dealers going out of business, and more buyers who owe money on their trade-ins.

Complaints also are rising in Florida.

Between March 1 and Sept. 1, 2008, Florida officials deemed valid 103 complaints regarding auto dealers' delinquent loan payments.

By comparison, there were 37 confirmed complaints during the same period in 2007.

Florida also received more than 1,886 confirmed complaints of delays in title transfers during that five-month period in 2008, compared with 900 a year earlier, said Ann Nucatola, spokesperson for the state's motor vehicle department.
 

cheri1122

Veteran Expediter
Driver
Surely the dealer's agreement to pay off the trade in is in the contract, so how could anyone possibly hold the innocent buyer responsible?
Every time I read demands for 'less government' I can't help but think of all the ways citizens can be robbed by the unethical - particularly those in the business world. Less government is exactly how they get away with it already.
 

x06col

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Charter Member
Retired Expediter
US Army
Nearly happened to me ten years ago when I purchased my 330 pete. Bought it from a dealer in Rockford, il. Day or so before I wuz to pick it up the salesman called and asked how I wuz going to pay for it? And, I replied company check. He stated that they would only accept a bank draft or such type thing. I told him ok, but when the check goes across the desk in your direction, the title will slide across the desk in my direction.

Well, when the day came -- no title. Sooo I told em i'd wait a bit for the title TODAY, or when they got the title, they could bring the truck to me and we'd do the deal. Waited a couple hours for em to run to Chicago and get the title and finished the transaction. I weren't the most popular fella there that day.

Bottom line the salesman called me a couple days later and told me it's a good ting you were such an ahole bout the title posession cause the dealer went broke yesterday an screwed me outa a couple weeks comission.

Those of you that are buying ANY equipment from ANYBODY. DON'T LEAVE THE CASH WITHOUT THE TITLE IN YOUR POCKET. IT'LL SAY RIGHT ON THERE IF IT'S CLEAR OR NOT.
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
Surely the dealer's agreement to pay off the trade in is in the contract, so how could anyone possibly hold the innocent buyer responsible?
Every time I read demands for 'less government' I can't help but think of all the ways citizens can be robbed by the unethical - particularly those in the business world. Less government is exactly how they get away with it already.

I would assume because the title is STILL in your name....contract or not...unfortunately it's the owners responsibility to make sure title gets transferred....Whatta goinna do? sue an out of business dealer?
 

pjjjjj

Veteran Expediter
In our horrible socialist country/province of Ontario, the nazi government forces us to get a 'vehicle info package' on used vehicles, for that very purpose. Imagine that? Forcing us to educate ourselves so we can prevent fraud against ourselves. God forbid if your country should step in with more legislation to protect you.
 

Texpress

Seasoned Expediter
I would assume because the title is STILL in your name....contract or not...unfortunately it's the owners responsibility to make sure title gets transferred....Whatta goinna do? sue an out of business dealer?

I wonder what would happen if the new owner goes down and files for a lost title? I wonder if they would pick up the car lien? In Real Estate there's title insurance. Might be something to think about, specially if you're buying a $100,00 dollar truck
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
In our horrible socialist country/province of Ontario, the nazi government forces us to get a 'vehicle info package' on used vehicles, for that very purpose. Imagine that? Forcing us to educate ourselves so we can prevent fraud against ourselves. God forbid if your country should step in with more legislation to protect you.

Yeah but Pjjjj they want the right to scroow each other....if ya want to get scrooowd ya gotta do it yourself without government interference...:D
 
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