Looking for input on building a C-unit

bigjoep89

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Joe and Robin

Robin and I are thinking of putting together a C-unit. We love the Sprinter van but want to stay a little busier. We would like to hear from C-unit operators regarding what kind of unit you would build or would you buy a used unit? We have owned and operated a D-unit befor so we are not new to the business. We now own and operate a Sprinter. We have invested a lot of money in our Sprinter and it will make someone a great van at a fraction of new cost. You can read about here in the for sale section. Any input is appreciated.

God bless our Military and vets!
 

davekc

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Joe,
When you say C unit, that is alot of ground to cover. Are you talking a dry or reefer truck? We used to have F350's (essentially pickups) with 14 boxes all the way to KW's with 16 foot boxes.
All were a "C" unit.
Might have to give a better idea of what you are thinking?
Might just be a small INT or FL.












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bigjoep89

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Joe and Robin

Dave a C-unit. Looking at a 14 foot dry box capable of transporting 5000#.
What would be the advantages and disadvantages with going with a class 8 truck to haul 5000#? Or is it best to go with a class 7 truck? Would you buy new or used? How would you set described unit up? Keep in mind we are a husband and wife team.
Anything common that people don't realize until after it is built. Any input will be helpful. Thanks for the reply.
 

davekc

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The biggest ones ae if you are going to run a reefer or not. Either way, the class eight will be a more durable truck, but cost alot more.
A small C unit that is a 7 will work just as well, and you could buy two in the spand of the 8. Just depends on how you look at it.
On a 14 footer I would see little value in going to a class 8.
I would get a t300 or 330 from Pete and put whatever size sleeper you want on it. That will last just as long as the eight and be quite a bit cheaper.
An eight is overkill unless it is used and you are just throwing a box on and not stretching it. Anything past that and you might as well go to a "D" unit.










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Fr8 Shaker

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To me a C unit is a 1 ton cube van and if your going to haul 5000# your going to be over 10001# GVW and you are going to have to log and scale. So if your planning on logging and scaling you would be better off running a D unit and haul 13500# and be able to haul more loads.

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terryandrene

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Joe:

It's hard to imagine you'd sell one of the best looking Sprinters in the fleet. Don't forget to put an ad in the free classifieds and let us know when the sale begins.
 

bigjoep89

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Joe and Robin

Davekc: Thanks again for the input Robin and I have no intention of putting a reefer on this unit. I value your opinion and appreciate your time and input.

FR8Shaker: I do understand what you are saying. Thanks for your time and input.

Terryandrene: Thanks for the kind words. Robin and I now have it listed here on the good ole EO Classifieds.

Robin and I are still looking for more input on building this C-unit we want to make sure we have thought of everything and there is no better place to learn than right here on EO. A lot of great business owners here with exceptional ideas so bring on the post! Thanks Joe and Robin.

God bless our Military and Vets!
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
I bought an fl70 and I am happy with it right now. This is a good entry level truck for people who are making the upgrade.

The thing I feel is an advantage for me is size, I love the compact size of the truck. I can swing my truck around when D units have to back up. I also like the idea that I can park in a parking lot, fitting in a two parking spots length wise and within a single car width.

What I would build for my next truck is rather easy question to answer, Class 8.

I would like to have an Argosy, but with the prices of Argosy’s going up for some reason I can find a lot of trucks that are inexpensive in comparison. My second choice is KW T2000, driven a few T2000 tractors and liked them. My worry is not finding a truck but getting it accepted.

The Argosy is to me the perfect truck to start with, I guess I like cab over trucks and liked the one I drove a few times. The length of the truck with an 18 foot box according to my calculations is the same size as what I am driving now. Out of curiosity I have looked into if I can extend the cab from 110†to say 134†to add 2 feet to the interior but the cost is around $2000 just for the extension and the reinforcement needed to the cab to properly raise it. This would in effect let me have a 96†sleeper, which would make my life easier (you know that the 72" plasma screen TV and theater equipment just does not seem to fit right in a 72" sleeper).

I took a look at several T2000s and Centurys and found out that I could find a truck that would not have to be stretched but extended (not moving the axles but just add some support for the box). I put my truck right next to a T2000 front wheel to front wheel and the back rear axle lined up perfectly with my rear axle but the frame was a few feet short if I put a 16 foot box on it as is. The cab size is just a little bigger than my combo cab and sleeper.

Of course I would get as much HP as possible and an auto-shift or if I could find an ultra-shift. I would consider a DD 60, but if I would go to a cat engine truck, it would be something like a tricked out 3516b (for those who know the engine know it is nice to dream).

I would also seriously consider using singles on the rear axle. Looking at the X ones, I think this would give me better mileage but as someone said (I think Leo ) there is a safety factor against the idea. I am going to keep my eye on them.

I also have been reading a lot about skirting, which leads me to thinking about adding skirts and a few tool boxes on the sides of the truck. I read a really good article about UPS and the use of skirts. I figure that with a class 8 loafing with 5000lbs on it, the idea of a possible 11 MPG or maybe even 12 MPG sounds good to me.

Another thing that I would consider if I had the money is retrofitting with air ride up front and disc brakes. I like the idea but that is a long term investment and just had to throw it in.

As for equipment, I would limit the box size to 16 feet (nothing smaller) unless you want to carry a lot of stuff (bikes, BBQ, Jacuzzi, wood shop, an area for restoring that GTO while on the road) I would consider getting an 18 foot box. I have a 16 foot box and the reefer unit inside the box takes up 18 inches and I intend take an additional 6 inches for the truck (and tell FedEx the size is only 14 feet available for a load) and build cabinets that will hold important things like straps, blankets and what ever. Right now it all looks ok back there, but I like cabinets and believe it or not organization. I met one D unit owner who stores a lot of stuff, like the contents of his home (Really!).

Speaking of the box, I would also highly recommend a roll up door, a flat entry way, four rows of e track and some sort of 16 inch or higher aluminum or steel panel along the side (I forget what it is called). I have barn doors but there is an extension for the lift gate and an aluminum step that a fork lift has to tackle to get anything in the truck. I have had a lot of trouble with idiot forklift drivers who don’t know how to get passed it. Beside this, the extension prevents sealing of the area when backed up to the dock loading and with the cold weather the fork lift driver try to rush loading to get the doors close.

I would get an APU or build one. I am torn between a generator and a true APU. But that has been covered. I will most likely build one using a similar engine that I have in the reefer unit. I can’t see spending $7000 and not being able to service it myself.

I would get a reefer and lift gate, but that is me. The return on investment is long term.

I would also get some sort add on or something that I can lower my dolly without me cranking it in the rain/snow. Beside this stuff, I would get a tire monitor, cameras and all the nice stuff to make my life more fun.

Hope this helps.
 

bigjoep89

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Joe and Robin

Greg334
Thanks, you have given us a lot of information and along with this information a lot to think about.
 

grog111

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There was alot of talk last year about those fiberglass unicell bodys on van frames....sounded good to me. I think i heard one guy say he was going to do the unicell on a ford "550" truck frame. I believe they make sleeper inserts for those also.
 

bigjoep89

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Joe and Robin

grog111
Thanks for your input. All information is helpful.

God bless our Military and Vets!
 

LDB

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I would make sure the C unit was a D unit. Overall size and cost is similar but revenue potential definitely favors the D unit.

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davekc

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would make sure the C unit was a D unit. Overall size and cost is similar but revenue potential definitely favors the D unit.
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Oh I don't know??????????
There was a former member that claimed making millions with a "C" unit. :7
I couldn't resist on that one.










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RichM

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I rember that senario,I believe it took about 3 years to build that custom C unit that would make millions. Wonder how it's doing.
 

Moot

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and some sort
>of 16 inch or higher aluminum or steel panel along the side
>(I forget what it is called).

Greg: It is called a scuff wall or scuff liner. I would stay away from steel in a reefer because of humidity and corrosion. Aluminum, heavy fiberglas or ballistic plastic scuff walls are popular in reefers.
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
Thanks Moot, I knew it was something like that but could not think of the name.

I like the idea of polished aluminum, bright and shiny but on the other hand bullet proof (I assume a combination of Kevlar and carbon fiber) sounds good too so when I go through Detroit my cargo will be protected from stray bullets.
 

Mudflap

Expert Expediter
Oh now don't pick on the millionaire and his all knowing wife while he is out "taking a break" investing all of his high interest earnings LOL!!! That will only lead to an 80 page leather(ette) bound report pointing out all the errors in your ways while he was on his tropical vacation... or was it working?? Wait a minute, wasn't his last report now referring to paid tourism as concentrating on WORK??? Oh geez, shouldn't go there.

To the subject.. For the same chassis, and still working/sleeping in a comfortable space, and money invested, get a D unit, 22-24' box. If you need a bit of "motorhome" to live in the truck with a large sleeper, go C with 18-20' box, but in that scenario don't expect as much income. The paid tourist thing in any truck, as any seasoned trucker will tell you is 99.9999% BS. So if you enjoy the job and the work involved, best to invest in that aspect and get into something that concentrates on generating revenue. Mudflap
 

ATeam

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When Diane and I planned out our CR unit, numerous drivers provided helpful input. In the spirit of giving back, I have published our truck specs online. This is not truck building advice. It is simply a primer for anyone considering a custom-built truck. See:

http://successfulexpediters.com/Madsen/MadsenTruckSpecs.htm

Regarding the income difference between CR and DR, Diane and I have driven both. In terms of gross revenue produced, We are doing better in the CR truck as we did in the DR trucks. But it is not that simple of a story. Our carrier has added new classes of freight. Our carrier has gained new customers. Our new truck is more reliable than some of the older trucks we drove. Fuel prices and surcharge compensation has changed. It is not apples-to-apples comparing our D-unit experience from before to our C-unit experince now.

I can say that if we had it to do over again, we would not hesitate to buy a C-unit. There has been no NET financial penalty. We do not miss those large D-unit loads of high-touch freight (store fixtures, office moves, full loads of gas canisters for inside deliveries, etc. We enjoy the extra sleeper space a C-unit can provide.
 
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