Logging Question

Run4biz · Jul 29, 2007

I've seen several 12ft cutaway vans being used as a option to sprinters mostly with Landstar. I talked to one of the drivers and was told that because of having under 10,000 GVWR that he didn't have to log. He said that he had been driving for 1 1/2 years and never had a DOT issue or question.

I thought that if that manufacturers label had a GVWR over 10,001 that logging was mandatory. I'm looking for a vehicle alternative to the sprinter but still have the size benefits.

If you can site DOT regulations on this subject that would be great.

Thanks,
Chuck

terryandrene · Jul 29, 2007

You are correct on the logging issue, but many of these cube vans are under the federally mandated logging capacity of 10001

Run4biz · Jul 29, 2007

Thanks Terry for your help. I have seen these cube vans with dual rear wheels and I think that means the manufacturers stick with will GVWR over 10001 lbs. Am I mistaken?

RLENT · Jul 30, 2007

>I have seen these cube vans with
>dual rear wheels and I think that means the manufacturers
>stick with will GVWR over 10001 lbs. Am I mistaken?

Yes ..... and no.

Generally speaking, if it has dual rears it will be over 10K GVWR ..... unless it is an ex-fleet vehicle.

The only ones I have seen personally are ex-Penske rental units - all their cube vans are rated on the sticker (and marked on the doors) "Under 10,000 GVW" - but perhaps some of the others (Enterprise, Budget, etc.) might be as well.

Actually the Penske's aren't under 10K - they are 10,000 exactly - and consequently fall into the "10,000 and under" category.

All single rear wheel units (not just ex-rental fleet) may be under 10K ..... not sure.

JohnMueller · Aug 1, 2007

Rlent;

Just depends on that little sticker inside the driver's door. Period. It would not suprise me to know that a truck that has a GVWR of 12,000 lbs is the same exact vehicle that has a sticker of 10,000. Just how the original buyer spec's the vehicle.

Thanks,
HotFr8Recruiter

Gener8 · Aug 1, 2007

One further note, GM does still offer a 10,000GVW dually for sale. I ordered one and the dealer wasn't aware of that option. I had to show them on their website where it was available. They are a rare creature to find used. But they are still available. The Gm whether a dually or not is a great vehicle. Easy to insulate, easy to add a generator and rooftop air. Not to bad to add an espar heater. And best of all, Very easy to get parts and service.

oncedrove · Aug 3, 2007

Gener8

Any pictures of your set up?
What dealer did you get this from?
What is your mileage?
What box do you have?

JJ

RLENT · Aug 4, 2007

John,

Yup - that's correct - it's all in the sticker.

And yes, for all practical purposes, they are the same vehicle (save for some of the specific spec'ing) - for instance, the total axle capacity for the 10K Penske van I mentioned is like 11,400 combined.

MSinger · Aug 10, 2007

>I've seen several 12ft cutaway vans being used as a option
>to sprinters mostly with Landstar. I talked to one of the
>drivers and was told that because of having under 10,000
>GVWR that he didn't have to log. He said that he had been
>driving for 1 1/2 years and never had a DOT issue or
>question.
>
>I thought that if that manufacturers label had a GVWR over
>10,001 that logging was mandatory. I'm looking for a vehicle
>alternative to the sprinter but still have the size
>benefits.
>
>If you can site DOT regulations on this subject that would
>be great.
>
>Thanks,
>Chuck

I run a former Penske 2002 GMC Savana DRW with 15' box and a 10,000 gvwr. An easy way to check the gvwr of the above GM cutaway's is to check the VIN. If the 4th character is an H the gvwr is 10,000. If the 4th character is a J it is either 12,000 or 12,300. I have also noticed some of the Penske models using the Ford E-350 DRW cutaway chassis are labeled on the outside of the doors as GVWR under 10,000 lbs however Ford does not make a 159" wheelbase DRW with a 10,000 gvwr they are more like 11,700. I have not actually gotten to see the mfg sticker on these units so I don't know if Morgan (the box mfg) actually derated the gvwr or if Penske is just putting the under 10,000 label on the outside of the door thinking no one would actually check. There was one such animal at the fuel islands a few pumps away from me that someone had rented for a household move....I really wanted to go over and check the mfg sticker but didn't have the nerve to ask the guy driving it.

2002 GMC Savana 3500 DRW 15' cube 10,000 GVWR "Old Yeller"
former Penske truck

Crazynuff · Aug 12, 2007

>Rlent;
>
>Just depends on that little sticker inside the driver's
>door. Period. It would not suprise me to know that a truck
>that has a GVWR of 12,000 lbs is the same exact vehicle that
>has a sticker of 10,000. Just how the original buyer spec's
>the vehicle.
>
>Thanks,
>HotFr8Recruiter
The sticker is what DOT will check . I was working for a company that had a 20 year old driver in a Ford Super Duty . A DOT inspector was going to take him out of it because the truck was tagged in OH and the truck was stopped in KY . Drivers have to be 21 to operate over 10,000lbs. interstate . The sticker said 11000 gvw .We explained to the officer the driver picked up the truck at a KY job site and was taking it to another job in KY . No violation .