Yeah, sure. And I'll bet you're now going to tell me soon there will be mobile phones that tell time!
listening to drivers complain......
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Yeah, sure. And I'll bet you're now going to tell me soon there will be mobile phones that tell time!
zorry
Veteran Expediter
Old LTL joke
"what time is it ?"
"who do you drive for ?"
"why do you ask ?"
"well, if you drive for Big R, it's four- thirty. If you dtive for Corn Flake, the big hand......."
what makes a driver more valuable than broker is that the driver transports the freight and is on road living. And the reasin there are 100 other guys to take the place of a single driver is because of the brokers havung too much power by cintrolling the money. You're making my point fir me but too ignorant to recognize it. Wake up and realize what your value is. I know it's easier to accept what you get and keep quiet but I do have pride and will not be afraid to speak my opinion. If you feel the brokers/agents deserve what they get and that drivers get whats fair then no sense in you spending your time replying. Ignorance is bliss as the saying goes! enjoy your bliss
pandora2112
Seasoned Expediter
What gives you the impression that it's illegal for a company to profit when they broker out a load?
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paullud
Veteran Expediter
Right the driver transports it and that's it, a job mentally retarded people can do. I don't mean that as an insult but there are plenty of mentally retarded people and some that just aren't right doing our job. There are plenty of much more valuable skills that successful brokers have and plenty of financial risk that hangs over them. The reason there are 100 other guys willing to run a cheap load is because some lack business skills, there are to many drivers, and some just need to get to where that load is going. I know what my value is and I will politely tell a broker with a low paying load that the rate won't work for me. This tells them the rate is to low(in case they don't know) and allows me to give/get a counter offer. If you use the search box to look for the word strike, you will find other guys that have stated the same thing as you, one of those guys is me. I thought about things further and educated myself on what brokers do and risk which suddenly made the 10% average rate they get reasonable.
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Ok, lets start off by saying a mentally retarded person cannot do the job. Yes, we have some idiots out here. And it's not juzt about getting from A to B, it's having to live the way we do. Yes, it's our choice to di so but nonetheless is takes a certain type to do it and be successful let alone maintain sanity. I'm not saying a broker is useless and that they're idiots, I'm sayung the driver is more important. There were drivers before brokers. And I keep hearing that it's capitalism/business as to why brokers/agents take lowest bid to make money. I guess that means you're okay with jobs being taken from America to other countries since cost of labor is cheaper? Just because simeone us in a position to do something doesnt always mean they should.
Spoken like a true union member. "The worker is the most important! The worker deserves a bigger slice of the pie!" Never mind the worker is performing a task for compensation and didn't invest a dime in infrastructure or administration, and in the case of expediting the worker is performing a contracted task that he can accept or reject for his own reasons.
No, the reason is because we're a dime a dozen. For every expediter on the road, there are twelve, twelve I tell you, who are on a waiting list for one carrier or another. Twelve. Exactly.
My value is precisely what the free market says it is.
Ignorance is indeed bliss, but the highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about. Most of us here are well educated on the matter. There are few things more dangerous than sincere ignorance coupled with conscientious stupidity (that's a paraphrasing of Dr. martin Luther King, Jr, IIRC).
The reason it gets done is because as long as the company has a broker authority, it's not illegal to broker out loads for profit. That's how brokering works, actually.
Yes it does take a certain mindset to do this job, but it's only a sacrifice for those without that mindset.
That's generally true, yes.
Well which is is, more valuable or disposable? Can't be both at the same time.
Cue the music, roll the flag video.
Good luck with that.
Clearly, you haven't spent much time talking with Panther van drivers.
Just the other day I watched a shipper stuff 13 feet into a 12 foot truck...they actually bungee corded the doors shut the best they could!!....the driver could hardly speak English....looked like he'd been driving thru a week long drunk....did the shipper care?...Not a word...actually he laughed and commented on it....
tknight
Veteran Expediter
When I started doing expedite I was paid a percentage of the load when I asked for a copy of an invoice to keep em honest they refused I told em I wanted to see it to make sure they weren't over paying me ! Haha tried to trick em didn't work it was a week later I did the last load for them . I'm not they're business partner it seemed so off I went much happier now except for messed up paper from others ruining my good day sometimes,don't ya love that deer in the headlights look you get from people sometimes?
guido4475
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Well said, I agree.
So a broker shouldn't be able to earn a decent living and support his family? Do you know how much work goes into being a broker, tracking down shippers, trying to find quality carriers to move your loads, and taking all of the financial risks? As a former broker I would often times Quick Pay my drivers and then be on the hook for all of the shippers who paid late or did not pay at all. Most of the truck drivers I've seen on the road lack the "people skills" to be able to track down their own freight. Some drivers whine so much and want so much money to move a load that some brokers make very little off of a load. The broker is often times forced to move some loads for next to nothing prifit wise just to keep their customers happy. Sometimes a broker will make a really good rate on a load, but when you spread it out over the loads that they break even on, the broker is not making the kind of money that you think they are making.
The rates are not determined by shippers, carriers, or brokers. The rates are determined by "capacity!" The More trucks you have in a given area the cheaper the rates will be. Sometimes a broker will make good money if they have a load going from CA to the east coast, but when a broker has a load going fro Chicago to CA, the broker might not make as much because there are more loads than trucks. Being a freight broker is no where near as easy as you think and you have to answer your phone 24 hours a day - even at midnight. Brkers work hard for their money. they spend their days on the phone and dealing with a crapload of different problems. Don't knock it till you try it.
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guido4475
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And maybe even for the basement bargain rate of .65 cpm to the truck.....
Only a week? My binges usually extend much longer than that...especially if I throw a few bucks at my co-driver so he will drive my shift after he finishes his.
guido4475
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OUCH!.....lol..
Interesting, apex. Just enough spelling mistakes on simple words to make it appear you are semi-literate.
Whatever your motive, it's humorous to observe someone stirring the pot now and then.
Just to recap what we have learned today.
1. This is a supply and demand business.
2. You are a business person, not a employee
3. You will NOT see a strike from expedite carriers or drivers
4. You can't operate a successful business with a union mentality
5. You can become a broker
6. If you can't deal with 1 through 5 satisfaction may be obtained through union employment somewhere else.
Remember......"businessman first, driver second".
1. This is a supply and demand business.
2. You are a business person, not a employee
3. You will NOT see a strike from expedite carriers or drivers
4. You can't operate a successful business with a union mentality
5. You can become a broker
6. If you can't deal with 1 through 5 satisfaction may be obtained through union employment somewhere else.
Remember......"businessman first, driver second".
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Turtle, you are exactly why this industry is what it is. You believe you have it all figured out and are content with not moving forward. You like to attempt to break apart what someone has to say rather than having a stance of your own. I've never been in a single uniin and to an extent I am not a believer in unions, they destroted the steel industry here in the states. I say we are more valuable than brokers to the industry but disposable to brokers who unfortunately control our ability to work inside of this industry. Again you defend.brokers but as I said us drivers were part of this industry before they were. You're the type of person that if someone said black you'll say white. Tell me how that all works out for you! lol The difference between you and I is that I have my own thoughts and will voice them where as you look at what people on here say and don't absorb the info you just look through what is written and look for a way to reply in opposition. You have no true stance or opinion only looking to make yourself feel like you're somebody of importance. I've seen your posts on other subjects and always the same thing, you trying to mock or tear down what someone has posted rather than offer the help they ask for. You saying cue the music as though I want pity or anything of tje sort is comical. That comment continues to show your ignorance because you cannot see the true meaning in all of my posts. Wake up,Turtle, real life is passing you by!
I understand that there are many unqualified steering wheel holders out there. My original post isn't only anout pay and brokers, it's concering the entire profession. That driver you seen is what is making things worse out here. I'm not trying to say that just by the grace of our driver title we are entitled to the world. I appreciate all posts but what id love to see is everyones ideas on how to better our profession. That's what my post is meaning, I want us to come together and make it better.
I'm not saying the broker doesn't have a right to make money. What you're tslking about is what I'm calling the third party broker. Agreed that they don't make much and is why they work in volume. I'm talking about the agent/broker before them. This subject of brokers isn't the only concern with our profession just one that i listed in original post. Brokers work from home so please don't try to sound as though they have it so rough. Yes, they are allowed to make a living too. But that driver stuffing a loatoo big for his box truck is being hired by these brokers so remember that. Brokers/agents are so worried about quantity of dribers over quality. People complaun about the idiot drivers when it's the result of brokers/agents, which goes to validate my point about brokers.
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