Left not standing for what they say..

jpalmer · Apr 14, 2011

I don't understand this. Why is it when the left says something they truly believe and mean. But isn't what society wants. They always apologize for what they say and resign from their particular post?

Why can't they stand for what they say? It shows serious lack of integrity.

When I say something like. Obama is a socialist and wants to destroy Americas way of life. I truly believe it. I'm not sorry for saying it. Its the truth!

I have more respect for the hardcore socialist liberals who are out in the open about what they think. Even if they say the dumbest things, but don't retract their statements....

Letzboogie · Apr 14, 2011

jpalmer said:
I don't understand this. Why is it when the left says something they truly believe and mean. But isn't what society wants. They always apologize for what they say and resign from their particular post?

Who says society doesn't want it? What are the demographics of the society you speak of?

jpalmer said:
Why can't they stand for what they say? It shows serious lack of integrity.

Examples please.

jpalmer said:
When I say something like. Obama is a socialist and wants to destroy Americas way of life. I truly believe it. I'm not sorry for saying it. Its the truth!

You may believe it. It's your right to believe it. However, if you believe it, you clearly have no clue what true socialism is.

jpalmer · Apr 14, 2011

Letzboogie said:
Who says society doesn't want it? What are the demographics of the society you speak of?

Examples please.

You may believe it. It's your right to believe it. However, if you believe it, you clearly have no clue what true socialism is.

What is true socialism then? Its pretty clear what Obama wants.

Example? the NPR president saying anti semantic remarks on a hidden camera..Then backing off what she said....Just yesterday Kieth Olbermann said an individuals parents should have used Planned parenthood because she doesn't agree with him...There are examples everywhere...

lol Its pretty clear that society doesn't want what Obama wants. Why do you think the Republicans won the house in the last election? Because they love Obama? I don't think so.....

Why don't you think what Obama wants is Socialism? Do you not want socialism in America?

greg334 · Apr 14, 2011

jpalmer said:
Why can't they stand for what they say? It shows serious lack of integrity.

Liberals or both conservatives and liberals?

The tea party people are a great example of hypocritical thinking. They want to cut government, cut spending and cut a lot of other things but when asked about Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid, they say ... nope.

If you want smaller government, the biggest most costliest things must be reduced.

OntarioVanMan · Apr 14, 2011

Just off the wall comment here...
but the T party are a bunch of old farts and don't want to lose cashing in on what they think they deserve...ok for others to cut back but not me..

Letzboogie · Apr 14, 2011

jpalmer said:
What is true socialism then? Its pretty clear what Obama wants.

The only thing clear about what Obama wants is having his approval rating raised. Implementing full scale Socialism isn't going to get that done.

jpalmer said:
Example? the NPR president saying anti semantic remarks on a hidden camera..Then backing off what she said....Just yesterday Kieth Olbermann said an individuals parents should have used Planned parenthood because she doesn't agree with him...There are examples everywhere...

A radio commentator and a former TV personality who both have gotten paid millions of dollars to further a specific line of thinking are hardly an example of what you are describing.

jpalmer said:
Lol Its pretty clear that society doesn't want what Obama wants. Why do you think the Republicans won the house in the last election? Because they love Obama? I don't think so.....

Once again, it is not clear at all. You have simply restated what you said in a previous post without any substantiation.

jpalmer said:
Why don't you think what Obama wants is Socialism? Do you not want socialism in America?

What is your definition of Socialism? Do I want Socialism in America? By my definition of Socialism, I would have to say no. The people who scream so loudly about Socialism have no real idea or concept of what full scale Socialism is. You still have not demonstrated that you in fact know what it is.

arrbsthw · Apr 14, 2011

OntarioVanMan said:
Just off the wall comment here...
but the T party are a bunch of old farts and don't want to lose cashing in on what they think they deserve...ok for others to cut back but not me..

you are nuts!

dieseldiva · Apr 14, 2011

arrbsthw said:
you are nuts!

YOU.....are correct!

When explained PROPERLY, without distortions and fear, I think most tea partiers would agree that ss and medicare need reform and when that is done on a gradual level, would agree with it. It's all in the presentation....IMHO......Oh, and they're not all old....do your research.

arrbsthw · Apr 14, 2011

They want to cut government, cut spending and cut a lot of other things but when asked about Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid,

I'm sorry but I didn't realize that Social Security is ...my brain went blank and I can't remember what "they" keep calling SS, medicare and medicaid.. Don't we pay into Social security by force.. Didn't they MAKE us start paying into this so we would have "retirement" money when we get old.. Why is everyone acting like it's a "freebie" to everyone? I pay into it, my husband pays into it..ok it's an "ENTITLEMENT".. If I pay into it by force and when I get to retirement age.. shouldn't they give me back part of what I paid?

I realize there are old people and disabled people etc that really need SS but what they need to do is cut out handing out money to girls/women that keep putting out babies every year to get a raise.. ONE CHILD PER HANDOUT.. that's what I think..any more and you should get a job..
anyway..this is my opinion and you don't have to blast me for it.

OntarioVanMan · Apr 14, 2011

arrbsthw said:
you are nuts!

Did you miss the "off the wall comment" part? *LOL*

Being "nuts" is the least of my worries...

greg334 · Apr 14, 2011

arrbsthw said:
If I pay into it by force and when I get to retirement age.. shouldn't they give me back part of what I paid?

No not really.

There is no federal right to the money they force you to pay into the system, nor is there a return on that investment that you are entitled to, this is a clear fact that has to be corrected by an amendment. The SC ruled that the payer is not entitled to that money back in the early 60's and it seems that for those who think they are need to wake up to the fact that most of our budget/debt/fiscal solvency problems are all related to three things - Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid.

Social Security was never intended as a do-all fix for those retirees, it was to be a supplement to get by and the entire program was structured to be a supplement with some safeguards in it. We stripped the safeguards away in the 60's, added Medicare and Medicaid which created huge bureaucracies which eats a lot of the funds up and we forgot not to dip into the cookie jar for other programs so we have to borrow to make ends meet.

BUT the real problem is when do we not get the idea that it is not a sustainable thing?

I mean ok I can give those who are on it now the benefit to continue but for people like me who may never see a dime out of the program, I can do more if I could control my own money with some help on the issue of taxes.

The other issue that has popped up in the past year is something I complained about in the past - those who can afford not to be on Medicare, shouldn't be on Medicare. THIS would save some money.

chefdennis · Apr 14, 2011

I support the Tea Party Ideals, (and I am an old fart) but i would have no problem whatsoever with ending SS, Medicare, Medicaid and every single welfare entitlement program that may even benefit my elderly mother anyone in my family or myself....They can even end SS that I have paid into and keep my money and not pay me a dime....

Letzboogie · Apr 14, 2011

greg334 said:
The other issue that has popped up in the past year is something I complained about in the past - those who can afford not to be on Medicare, shouldn't be on Medicare. THIS would save some money.

Anyone who can afford to not be on Medicare should see the horrific service one gets on Medicare. It is criminal. One would gladly continue to pay for insurance. Those who fear death panels don't need to worry. The lack of responsible care will get them before the masters of doom.

greg334 · Apr 14, 2011

Letzboogie said:
Anyone who can afford to not be on Medicare should see the horrific service one gets on Medicare. It is criminal. One would gladly continue to pay for insurance. Those who fear death panels don't need to worry. The lack of responsible care will get them before the masters of doom.

Well first no one can refuse Medicare, it is something a lot of people want to avoid.

Second the system is an extension of the health care system in so much people are not involved with the payment hence the payments are substandard. If the system wasn't a direct pay, and those who were in the system had to actually deal with the medical billing of their care, then it may improve. BUT we have a "I don't give a crap" attitude about health care insurance and expect things for nothing.

The truth is Medical and Medicaid actually need to end. It is not what many think as the American way nor is it some sort of compassion thing.

chefdennis · Apr 14, 2011

But, But...barry just said yesterday that it is these very Entitlement programs (SS, Medicare, Medicaid) that have made our courtry great, and they will not be messed with on his watch...well except for the milions he stole from medicare to give to barrycare....

Poorboy · Apr 15, 2011

arrbsthw said:
They want to cut government, cut spending and cut a lot of other things but when asked about Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid,

I'm sorry but I didn't realize that Social Security is ...my brain went blank and I can't remember what "they" keep calling SS, medicare and medicaid.. Don't we pay into Social security by force.. Didn't they MAKE us start paying into this so we would have "retirement" money when we get old.. Why is everyone acting like it's a "freebie" to everyone? I pay into it, my husband pays into it..ok it's an "ENTITLEMENT".. If I pay into it by force and when I get to retirement age.. shouldn't they give me back part of what I paid?

I realize there are old people and disabled people etc that really need SS but what they need to do is cut out handing out money to girls/women that keep putting out babies every year to get a raise.. ONE CHILD PER HANDOUT.. that's what I think..any more and you should get a job..
anyway..this is my opinion and you don't have to blast me for it.

Thank You