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Did it take a hit when interracial marriage became legal or allowed woman to vote or overturned slavery? I don't really see the difference. But if you say so......
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Well I have no opinion to state on the fight. But....the court failed in my opinion. The court is to state what the laws are not legislate or mandate. Supporters of the cause have been successful the last few years in going through the democratic process at the appropriate state level. This is the proper and legal process of our country. So no matter which side of the issue you may stand on my disappointment is again with our court system not the cause.
This would apply to yesterday's health care ruling as another example.
This would apply to yesterday's health care ruling as another example.
If you can't see the difference, then any answer I give you will be meaningless. But here ya go, anyway.
Interracial marriage was about equal protection under the law. It did not redefine what marriage actually was, and still left the definition of marriage up to the states. So no, neither Democracy nor the Constitution took a hit on that one. Racism took a pretty hard blow, though.
The Supreme Court flatly voted against women having the right to vote, several times, leaving the voting requirements to the states, where the Constitution says it belongs. Women gained the right to vote when the states got together and ratified a Constitutional Amendment to allow women the right to vote. Both the Constitution and Democracy were strengthened that day, not weakened.
When slavery was overturned, the Constitution took a severe hit because it set the precedent for the federal government to usurp states rights, a precedent they have abused over and over again since then, including today. Democracy, on the other hand, took a giant leap forward. Democracy could have easily overturned slavery, and it was about to, which is one of the reasons the slavery states started talking succession.
Today, as Supreme Court Chief Justice John Roberts noted in his dissent, "Five lawyers have closed the debate and enacted their own vision of marriage as a matter of constitutional law." They took away from the states the ability to define marriage, something the Constitution does not give The Court the right to do, so the Constitution took a hit today. And as Justice Antonin Scalia said in a scathing dissent, the decision shows The Court is, for the first time in history, a very real "threat to American democracy." Said the ruling "says that my ruler and the ruler of 320 million Americans coast-to-coast is a majority of the nine lawyers on the Supreme Court." So Democracy took a major hit today.
Precisely. It's not whether or not gays should marry, but the process, and how the Supreme Court trampled that process with their own personal opinions, rather than whether the laws it was deciding were constitutional. I mean, like, the majority opinion talked about how the children of gay couples would feel about it (because, you know, gay couples procreate like rabbits). Justice Anthony Kennedy wrote for the majority, "Without the recognition, stability and predictability marriage offers, their children suffer the stigma of knowing their families are somehow lesser." That's an emotional argument, not a constitutional one.
If the court had stayed out of the process, the decision would have been made democratically, by the states (which all would have eventually either voted in favor of marriage at the polls, or been forced to by the Full Faith and Credit clause of the Constitution, anyway).
I would like to thank load1 and Teresa for honoring my request for a load today!
Storm cooled things down. May get a good nights sleep. Be the first since Sunday night.
Rub a dub dub two men and a boy in a tub !!!
That is a good idea. Like a digital one or would you guys rather have the old fashioned type with the sliding weights?
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I went to my doctor last week and he had a new scale that talked when you got on it..only problem with it was when I stood on it was it said one at a time please...LOL...
The kind you put a quarter in and it tells your horiscope.