July 1st New HOS

TeamCaffee

Administrator
Staff member
Owner/Operator
As this date approaches we are working out ways to get the 1/2 break in and how we will approach this.

The 1/2 break starts when we go on the clock not when we start driving and we are going to have to think a little further on down the road of where we are going to pull off the road.
 

moose

Veteran Expediter
not been an Expediter, the new HOS present different challenges for me. to adopt i started logging the PTI by the end of the day if all possible.
a nice exerciser is every time i park i ask myself- is this spot is good for a full 30 minutes break ?
i have also made a philosophical decision that if needed the fuel island is a legit place for a 30, and assume that many other truckers will do the same.
i scan the parking lot for places that are EZ & safe to get in&out quick.
also keeping a daily records so i can bounce hours from 8 days ago rather then taking a restart.
it is indeed going to be challenging.
i am blessed to work with a safety dep. and a dispatch team that provide us with the back up and tools we need to comply.
 

iceroadtrucker

Veteran Expediter
Driver
The new HOS is not going to bother me none. I realy dont care one way or the other.
Its just going to mean that its going to cost more to MOVE THE FREIGHT They are going to have to push the freight rates up vice lowering them or the companies are going to loose good drivers. It also means all the Hog wash is going to go to the way side. Companies are going to have to pay the money or they dont get the job done. Oh you can hire low quality workers that wont do the job correctly and you might get away with it. But the Score for the company will reflect it. And when that happens your good drivers will leave and so will your clients (customers) So Guess it all goes hand in hand. Govt makes the rules the trucker abide by them and the the Companies that cut corners by getting cheapo Help will loose customers.
Like I said it dont bother me none.
Thats my rant
Double Tap
 

layoutshooter

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
We are still trying to figure this out. We have LOTS of questions, no answers. Sure wish I had hit that lottery last night! :p:p That would have solved this problem. The ONLY thing I know is that these new regs will do NOTHING to keep our operation safer and MAY end up costing us money. Not a good combination.
 

beachbum

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
Just remember to start the break anytime from the 5.5 hour start of the day or you'll have to do another one before your 14 is up.
 

layoutshooter

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
We have a "cheat sheet" from OOIDA, but it is about as clear as mud. I wonder what tidbits of information are going to come out from the carriers in the next few weeks.

The most nonsensical part is the only one 34 hour reset per week. I would LOVE to hear a valid reason as to why that exists and just how it increases safety. That would be a fun thing to listen to.

The new "hour" requirement for the 34 is kinda dumb as it the lack of flexibility which insures that a lot of drivers/teams will continue to be forced to work in ways that are less safe and less effective than optimum. What else to you expect from an arrogant government agency?
 

TeamCaffee

Administrator
Staff member
Owner/Operator
not been an Expediter, the new HOS present different challenges for me. to adopt i started logging the PTI by the end of the day if all possible Are you talking about the Post Trip?
a nice exerciser is every time i park i ask myself- is this spot is good for a full 30 minutes break ?
i have also made a philosophical decision that if needed the fuel island is a legit place for a 30, and assume that many other truckers will do the same. The 30 minute break does not include fueling so are you saying you will pull forward and then take your 30 minute break effectively blocking in other trucks for 30 minutes? I hope that you change your mind and will go park for the break.

i scan the parking lot for places that are EZ & safe to get in&out quick.
also keeping a daily records so i can bounce hours from 8 days ago rather then taking a restart.
it is indeed going to be challenging.
i am blessed to work with a safety dep. and a dispatch team that provide us with the back up and tools we need to comply.

The challenge that concerns me is like you say finding a safe place to park. Planning our day out on where we are going to stop and then hoping nothing goes wrong...
 

ATeam

Senior Member
Retired Expediter

The challenge that concerns me is like you say finding a safe place to park. Planning our day out on where we are going to stop and then hoping nothing goes wrong...

I have questions and concerns about the new rules too, still unanswered, but finding a safe place to park is not among them. How is finding a safe place to park under the new rules any different from finding a safe place to park under the old rules? We're in straight trucks. Parking is not usually a problem.
 
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EASYTRADER

Expert Expediter
How long will it take for the carriers to build in 30 minutes eta for every 450 miles. I can just see 6 mos of frustration explaing why it now takes an hour longer to complete an 800 mile trip.
 

BobWolf

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
I dont like the over regulation of this business, the new HOS break is being WAY over done. Its intent is to force those carriers who dont allow drivers to stop and rest when needed. Think of how many times and ways you stop and you can claim your break.
For example...
You stop somwhere for lunch, or get fuel, take your pet for a walk. Yes the actual task is five or ten minites but by the time you get a cup of coffee, shoot the breaze with annother driver, or cashier, check in with and say hi or goodnight to your family, and get back to your truck you most likely burned almost fourty five minnites. Or how abbout the pickup and delivery that you always have to sit for at lease 1/2 hour or longer to get loaded or unloaded. That I consider my break time.

Remember to K.I.S.S.
Keep It Simple Stupid.

Bob Wolf.
 

ATeam

Senior Member
Retired Expediter
How long will it take for the carriers to build in 30 minutes eta for every 450 miles. I can just see 6 mos of frustration explaing why it now takes an hour longer to complete an 800 mile trip.

That's an interesting point. If the new rules stick, there will certainly be times when that mandated 30 minute stop, or number of stops on long runs, will bump a driver beyond the point when the shipping and receiving department closes, pushing the pick up or delivery into the next day, or forcing the department to keep staff on after hours to accommodate the shipment.

I have not followed this issue much because we do not expect to be driving after the new rule goes into effect, but out of curiosity I contacted my carrier today to see what guidance applies on loads where "in attendance" security protocols are in effect but the freight, because it is not of a certain hazard class, does not fall under the exception that the rules now provide.

No word yet, was the reply. Higher-ups in the carrier are talking to the appropriate people at the appropriate agencies about it, but have received no guidance. They are asking the same questions we are asking, and, so far at least, no answers have been provided.
 
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BobWolf

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
Ive tried listening to landline radio a few times over the past year and some of the hosts seem to blow things out of proportion. I have a friendly contact with D.O.T. that I have asked several questions and gave her the example I described and asked will that fly. I was told if I park and not move for any lenght of time, like at a rest area, truck stop, parking lot, etc. Im off duty.

Besides the time frame is actualy doable as you need to break somwhere betwene hour 3 and 8 of your on duty time. And yes, stepping out to get some coffee or using the restroom counts as a break if it takes thirty minites from the time you park untill the time you start driving its good.



Bob Wolf.
 
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BobWolf

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
How long will it take for the carriers to build in 30 minutes eta for every 450 miles. I can just see 6 mos of frustration explaing why it now takes an hour longer to complete an 800 mile trip.

In this case if telling the customer the reg and commonsense dosent work. Especialy if they become douche bags abbout it Feel free to use the following.

Its freight, it will get there when I get it there.

I have lost a customer or two but I dont need them bad enough to risk the violations or fines. If your carrier pushes you find annother carrier.

Bob Wolf


Bob Wolf
 

1roaddog

Seasoned Expediter
How many trucks will be in and out of the truck stops for there 30 min breaks. Can you say cluster ....!
 

BobWolf

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
Ill agree if they are all at truck stops but you can take your break anywhere we can park leagal or at least out of the way unmolested.

The suck of this whole cluster is having to force companies to let driver take a break.

Bob Wolf
 
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