Judge: French web host need not shut down WikiLeaks site

RLENT

Veteran Expediter
The Frogs give the US a lesson on freedom of the press.

4 hours ago:

"PARIS — A French judge declined to force web provider OVH to shut down the WikiLeaks site, OVH said on Monday, after the government called for the whistleblower website to be kicked out of France. The legal challenge came after French Industry Minister Eric Besson called for WikiLeaks to be banned from French servers after the site took refuge there on Thursday, having been expelled from the United States.

A court in the northern city of Lille had rejected a first complaint by OVH arguing that it was incomplete. A new complaint was made Monday calling on judges in Lille and Paris to rule whether or the not the site was legal, said OVH in an email to AFP. The Lille court again rejected it, while the Paris court said the case needed further arguments.

"As far as OVH, the technical provider, is concerned we have done the utmost to clarify the legal situation of the site.... We have tried to be as transparent as possible," said the company based at Roubaix near Lille. "It's neither for the political world nor for OVH to call for or to decide on a site's closure, but for the justice system," OVH's managing director Octave Klaba has said. "That's how it should work under the rule of law."

OVH said it had only discovered it was hosting WikiLeaks after reading press reports. WikiLeaks ordered a dedicated server with protection from cyber attacks through OVH's website using a credit card to pay the "less than 150-euro" (200-dollar) bill, Klaba said. "OVH is neither for nor against this site... We neither asked to host this site nor not to host it. Now that it's with us, we will fulfil the contract. That's our job."

Besson earlier asked the CGIET, the highest body governing the Internet in France, to find a way to expel the site from French servers, describing the situation as "unacceptable". On Thursday, WikiLeaks moved to OVH after US Internet giant Amazon booted it off its servers following pressure from US politicians angered by the release of some quarter million secret diplomatic cables.

"France cannot host Internet sites that violate the confidentiality of diplomatic relations and put in danger people protected by diplomatic secrecy," Besson wrote in a letter, a copy of which was seen by AFP. "Tell me as quickly as possible what action can be taken to stop this site being hosted in France, and firstly tell all operators that have helped host it of the consequences of their actions and then hold them responsible."

The WikiLeaks revelations have angered world governments to such an extent that the website is being forced to hopscotch around the world's servers, while also coming under massive cyber attacks aimed at bringing the site down."

Looks like French Industry Minister Eric Besson is doin' a little judge shopping ... :rolleyes:

How much ya wanna bet that at least some of those attacks are coming from an EO member's former workplace ?

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French web host need not shut down WikiLeaks site: judge
 
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greg334

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Why do you keep going back to the idea that wikileaks is a media outlet and that there is an attack on freedom of the press?

Have you ever understood that France of all places, puts freedoms of any sort in the category of granted freedoms, not even close to the same level as the US constitution?
 

layoutshooter

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Retired Expediter
Because it fits with his view of the world and he agrees with them.
Even if you had ROCK SOLID PROOF that crimes are being committed he would likely praise the criminal. At least, that is how I see it. Could be wrong. Hope I am.
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
BUT see layout, it really doesn't matter with all of this because we both know what is going to happen once the dust settles. There won't be any changes that come about this other than the tightening of security to the point of being ridiculous.

Those who have supported Assange will pay a price, they will eventually be targets and in a way rightfully so. They may not pay with their lives but go through some hardship that they may not ever connect to the support. The same goes for Assange, a lot of people want to see him dead and I can't blame them but on the other hand he may be a stupid pawn in all of this - we will never know. He is for sure a coward, and some of the others who hide in the shadows.
 

layoutshooter

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Retired Expediter
Yeah, I have seen what happens when leaks occur. It is a REAL pain for a while. Costs the tax payers a fortune as well. This mess sure will.
 

RLENT

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Why do you keep going back to the idea that wikileaks is a media outlet and that there is an attack on freedom of the press?
Because they are .... and there was.

Have you ever understood that France of all places, puts freedoms of any sort in the category of granted freedoms, not even close to the same level as the US constitution?
Utterly irrelevant to the point I was making, which was at the top of my first post in this thread.
 

Turtle

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Staff member
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Where, exactly, did the attack on the freedom of the press occur, and by whom?

Don't say it was when the government had Amazon shut down Wikileaks, because there's no proof of that. Bloggers allege it, as does Assange. Assange goes as far to state that Amazon's press release does not accord with the facts on public record, but no one other than Assange seems to know what those fact actually are. Amazon has flatly stated why it shut down Wikileaks. Unless there is actual proof to the contrary (and not believing them doesn't constitute proof), then there's no freedom of the press attack at or by Amazon.

People like to think the DoS attacks are perpetrated by the government, egged on by the hilarious claims of Assange, but anyone who understands what a DoS attack is knows better. Assange certainly knows better. He also certainly knows that people are gullible. "I'm being persecuted! I'm the victim here! The government is trying to silence me!" and people eat it up.

For one, these DoS attacks were DDos (Distributed Denial of Service) attacks deployed using Stacheldraht botnets with classic smurph and SYN floods.

Two, the government has far easier ways of taking down a Web site, like simple redirection off the backbone (of which they have direct access) and they do it all the time for pirate (and torrent) Web sites. It's quick and simple, no need for a DDoS attack on a system as large as Amazon.

The DDos is the method of the hacker, of which Assange is one, because it's very effective on small systems and for targeted computers. But it's only marginally effective on large systems, especially on a server farm the size of Amazon's. At most it's an annoyance. On small and medium systems, it could be a problem, tho. But only a goober hacker (a.k.a. Friends of Assange) would launch a DDoS attack on Amazon.

That Assange is blaming the government for these DDoS attacks, and people are buying into it, has many a script kiddie roiling with laughter.

But the Bloggers roll on.
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
Because they are .... and there was.

Where and when?

What attack has been made on any news media outlet or website?

Wikileaks is not a legitimate news outlet, UNLESS you are conceding that there is no right that puts institutionalized journalism above the law or any citizen in this country - WHICH ONE IS IT?

Utterly irrelevant to the point I was making, which was at the top of my first post in this thread.

Actually very very relevant. A judge may have stopped the onslaught against the provider based on issues that left the French laughing about the content but if it was a state matter and this was a legitimate press as defined by the French, they would have raided the server farm and removed them by force. The French do not operate like other countries, they don't take this freedom of the press seriously enough when there is an issue of state secrets being broadcast.
 
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