Johnson must be stopped

greg334

Veteran Expediter
I support lifting the band on drilling in the great lakes, there is not one reason why we can't.
 

chefdennis

Veteran Expediter
You do realize that since 1913 Canada has drilled 2200 vertical gas extraction wells in to the lake floor in Lake Erie and 550 of those are still in production....There are also wells in Lake Michigan and Lake Huron on the Canadaian side of those great lakes and they are looking to expand the numbers....

So yea, we should by all means continue to ban drilling on the US side and let the Canadian companies continue to drill and reap whatever benefit they can....

Oh and the has only been 3 spills in Lake Erie since 1959 with only one of there contributed to the drilling process...

And while Johnson wants the FED ban liftewd, several of the Great Lake states have State bans in place....
 

letzrockexpress

Veteran Expediter
I don't have a problem with drilling on the Great Lakes...I've done some myself.

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layoutshooter

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
Gas is ok...NO oil....we don't need the little bit that is there...

We MUST at all costs protect what fresh water we have....screw the US!!

I have mixed feelings on this. One thing for sure, Canada WILL drill for oil sooner or later. Their record on drilling is not all that good. Neither is their logging practices. There are gas well heads in Pigeon Bay that are NOT marked and are only in a very few feet, less that ten, of water. They are only sort marked on the charts, just marked as "well heads", no exact placement on the recreational charts. They are NOT on true navigation charts since the water is too shallow for commercial shipping. I have known people who have hit them with props. Sticking it to the U.S., OVM, is only PART of the problem.
 

layoutshooter

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Retired Expediter
You can guess what Canada will or will not do...But drilling the Great Lakes..I'd be really surprised if they did...Canada has NO need for oil...just the natural gas...

They are drilling all over the Yukon and the boreal forest now. The Great Lakes are shallow, far easier and safer to drill than deep water and, in many respects, easier to reach than a lot of oil that Canada is going after now. It will not surprise me one bit if they do. They record on pollution on the Great Lakes is poor. As bad and in some cases worse than the U.S. Money is money and as other sources of oil get more difficult it becomes more likely. There may be quite a bit of oil down there.
 

layoutshooter

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Retired Expediter
The US record is just as poor on all the issues you mentioned...so lets not be a drama king.....I almost typed queen....:rolleyes:

Never said otherwise. Just stating cold, hard facts. Canada is no different in this respect, just talk a good game is all.

The advantage to Great Lakes oil is that it is close to the end user. Far shorter shipping distance and it cuts down on those kinds of accidents. Horizontal drilling is one method that could work, puts all the problems on land. Easier to deal with in case of accident, very ugly to look at. Pressures are not nearly a high as what you see in this Gulf accident.
 

layoutshooter

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Retired Expediter
Joe..all I am saying is...the big picture the little that is under there say Just one lake Erie...would you jeopardize even a remote chance of an accident happening? A, 1 in 34 million chance...do we really need it that bad? For all the work you've been part of for wetland restoration would you take that chance?


I am not saying for or against. There are also 4 other Great Lakes and Lake St. Clair as well. One thing is certain, if the "not in my back yard" thing is the final answer, we will have NO energy produced in a very short amount of time. I agree, the Great Lakes MAY be a special case, they contain 1/5th of all the earth's fresh water.
 

Ragman

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Retired Expediter
I am not saying for or against. There are also 4 other Great Lakes and Lake St. Clair as well. One thing is certain, if the "not in my back yard" thing is the final answer, we will have NO energy produced in a very short amount of time. I agree, the Great Lakes MAY be a special case, they contain 1/5th of all the earth's fresh water.

OVM, am still here. Sounds like LOS agrees with us, even if he doesn't realise it. :D
 

greg334

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blah blah blah, get the oil out of the ground and put it into my gas tank, make those great plastic things before anyone else gets it.

The great lakes will not suffer one bit with any off shore drilling so get over it.

There are more serious issues with the great lakes, just the carp issue is one, but if we concern ourselves with every little issue and try to protect things that we, MAN, have little control over, we will just waste more resources trying to get things right as we see it.
 

Ragman

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Retired Expediter
. . . just the carp issue is one, but if we concern ourselves with every little issue and try to protect things that we, MAN, have little control over . . .

That is the problem. The carp thing and oil drilling are things we, MAN, have lots of control over. WE, just choose to ignore them and pretend they are not a problem.:mad:
 

xiggi

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Owner/Operator
If it's there go after it. We have one spill in the gulf in like 30 years and people start freaking out over drilling. Everyone has "their" place they do not want drilling which adds up to drilling no where. It is time to stop with the excuses and get to work!
 

greg334

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Well you know there are a lot of other things.

Lets start with stopping shipping in the great lakes. The amount of pollution that happens with these low speed, heavy oil ships going up and down the lakes is something to be very concern with. The oil leakage, the ballast dumping and so on all contributes more pollution in the lakes every year than would drilling.

Then we have water run off from the streets into the lake. Even though we have separate drains in a lot of the cities and counties, we also have very old systems that doesn't have that system in place and sometimes where there is still human waste overflow that can be dumped into the lakes. NOT just that but the pollution that gets into the lake from rain water runoff is not really measured - got a car/van/truck that leaks oil, it ends up in the great lakes.

Then we have general pollution from man, those boaters who pollute by running their exhaust into the water, I think most do. That adds pollution into the water. Jet skis too.

BUT we can't stop boaters or shipping or people from driving, can we?

Isn't all about money?

I would like to see hunting stop for those who don't own more than 5 acres but I know that won't happen, it is all about the money.

I would like to see the beaches clear of idiots who leave crap in the sand but that won't happen because it is all about the money.

SO why not drill?

The state of Michigan is suffering. We lack real jobs, we are in a middle of a true depression in this God forsaken state but don't want to have jobs by allowing a simple thing like drilling for oil in the lakes.

I don't give a crap about what could happen, we have enough regulations to cover almost everything except God causing a category 5 hurricane in lake Huron, and now more government BS that will prevent mouse turds from being spilled into any body of water by an oil company so the likeliness is slim to nil that we will ever have a problem we can't fix.

The state needs the revenue, the people need the jobs and the lakes will not be harmed.
 

LDB

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Retired Expediter
Drill in the areas with HUGE oil reserves like ANWR and the Western basin and there's no need or reason to drill in the Great Lakes. Put the wind energy systems outside the Kennedy compound. Tell the few too bad for the good of the many. That resolves the need for marginal explorations.
 

greg334

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Leo, you live in texas, so the state is big and depends on OIL for revenue and jobs. Try living with out it.

OVM, south dakota, what do you have to risk if it happens? Move here and then see why it is frustrating to a lot of us to have our hands tied. It's not just Michigan, but all the lake states.

There isn't a lot of risks involved, the stupid ban was a political thing to show the states that the people who are in Washington 'care' about the lakes and it was based on some complaining over funding being cut.
 

letzrockexpress

Veteran Expediter
The state of Michigan is suffering. We lack real jobs, we are in a middle of a true depression in this God forsaken state but don't want to have jobs by allowing a simple thing like drilling for oil in the lakes.

Just one more reason Michigan sucks.....


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