I'm sure this is just what he had in mind.
http://www.wesleyan.edu/reslife/housing/program/open_house.htm
http://www.wesleyan.edu/reslife/housing/program/open_house.htm
John Wesley must be so proud
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That's one of the funniest things I've ever read. It reads like a page from The Onion.
It's a real page at the Wesleyan University Web site. If you back up a page and scroll down, there it is.
It's a real page at the Wesleyan University Web site. If you back up a page and scroll down, there it is.
At least it is a small house...
Unwashed commoners can get a government voucher to culturally indoctrinate their little angels via home schooling - which option has more converts?
Also: I'd be willing to bet that whatever transpires in that "house" isn't half as morally reprehensible as the average frat house.
How much do you factually know about "the average frat house"??
Again, depends on your definitions of "rowdy" and "morally reprehensible". There have been a LOT of news stories about the campus culture of excusing 'hazing', excessive drinking, and rape. Not every frat house engages in all of them, but enough are guilty of some of them that it is a disgrace, IMO. It's always been overlooked as "boys will be boys" shenanigans, but it is behavior that is NOT benign - all those activities result in damage to someone, often severe.
The reason for the plethora of stories is, of course, the Rolling Stone article about 'Jackie'. Except when there is a 'blockbuster' story, the activities of fraternities go unremarked - but when people begin looking, there's enough adolescent [and anti social] behavior to go around.
Another post based on ignorance, stereotypes created by the msm and the sins of one particular group at one particular campus. Of course we dare not bring the sins of college athletic teams into this conversation. Regardless, it's apples and oranges anyway; cultural degradation and criminal behavior are two different things.
Excuse me? The MSM was not the ones in the lodge causing nearly 500,000 dollars of damage! Sheesh!
Not really. "Rowdy" has a pretty generic definition of noisy and disorderly, unruly, undisciplined, disruptive. It's nearly impossible to study, or sleep, in a frat house. We can use your definitions of morally reprehensible if you like, as long as it meets your honest criteria for what you find morally reprehensible. I mean, you can't suddenly become a right-wing wacko religious fundamentalist that finds alcohol consumption morally reprehensible, You may find something reprehensible, but for it to be morally reprehensible is must be a breach of society's morals so severe to be worthy of condemnation. Loud and rowdy might be annoying, even reprehensible to some, but it doesn't assault society's morals on level worthy of condemnation. Rape is worthy or moral reprehension, but then again that doesn't happen in the overwhelming majority of frat houses.
There have? I haven't seen any stories about campus culture excusing such things. I've seen a lot of stories about campus culture NOT excusing such things, though. That doesn't mean there haven't been stores about campus culture excusing it, it's just that I haven't run across any of them, and I'm fairly well read. I also live in a college town, a small town, where nothing goes unnoticed and unreported. At one time I even lived across the street from the most "notorious" frat house on campus. It was certainly a rowdy place, pretty much 24/7, but it was hardly worthy of morally reprehensible condemnation.
Well, no, the ones who have been in the news aren't benign. Then again, the ones that have been in the news aren't the majority of them. But it would be wrong to paint all frat houses, or even most of them, with the same stereotypical broad brush as the the ones who are morally reprehensible. That would be, what's the term for it, oh, yeah, prejudice.
The reason the activities of fraternities (and sororities, don't forget sororities, as they can make fraternities blush sometimes) go unremarked, is because most of the time nothing remarkable happens at frat houses.
Fraternities engaging in antisocial behavior. Thanks for that. I'm always on the lookout for items to add to my catalog of oxymorons, and that's a keeper!
I don't think being noisy and unruly is morally reprehensible [though it's personally annoying, unless I'm doing it too, lol], I was referring to the binge drinking. Alcohol abuse is a big problem on campuses, and fraternities play a large part in that. Even the ones that never make the news. The ones that make the news, though, usually lead to the stats & stories about how often fraternities engage in similiar behavior, without making the news. When hazing results in death [like Robert Champion], it makes headlines, but is it any less wrong when it doesn't quite rise to that level? Still, it continues. As does the binge drinking, and the 'culture of rape', where the women are made to feel responsible for the men being unable to control themselves.
Hazing, binge drinking, and rape culture are anti social activities, and fraternities are known for engaging in some or all of them. Not every fraternity, but enough so that it is a stereotype based on truth.
Hazing, binge drinking, and rape culture are anti social activities, and fraternities are known for engaging in some or all of them. Not every fraternity, but enough so that it is a stereotype based on truth.
Hazing certainly goes on in all fraternities and sororities (and sports teams, and gangs, and schools, military units, etc.). It's a way of initiating a person into a group. Hazing activities can benign, stupid pranks, all the way to abuse and criminal conduct. But 99% of hazing activities in fraternities aren't anywhere near the level of abuse or criminal activities. They're mostly benign and stupid. So, to answer your question, yes, hazing is much less wrong then it doesn't rise to the level of death resulting from the hazing. I can't fail to see the same level of wrong in being forced to walk across the Quad while wearing women's underwear on your head and in being forced to drink yourself to death.
Binge drinking is stupid, but I don't know that it rises to the level of morally reprehensible, unless you're a Southern Baptist or Church of Christ or something. Yes, alcohol abuse is a big problem on college campuses. That's what happens with kids nearing drinking age get away from home and away from adult supervision. But fraternities play a much smaller part than you think. At the 951 ranked college and universities represented in the annual US News and World Report survey, an average of 8.1 percent of the male undergraduate students were members of a fraternity. I don't know if it's really fair or accurate to blame the big problem of alcohol abuse on campuses on like 10 percent of the student body.
The Top 10 universities in fraternity membership, where membership is considerably higher, like Welch College in Nashville at 98 percent (formerly the Free Will Baptist College), Lyon College in Batesville, AR at 92 percent (Presbyterian college), Washington and Lee University in Lexington, VA at 86 percent (alcohol not permitted in Greek housing or residence halls - 2000 students), DePaw University in Greencastle, Indiana at 76 percent (2400 students, formerly Indiana Asbury Methodist University), and the others, aren't on the top 10 list of party schools despite the high Greek membership (although, DePaw University, primarily a music school, has made the list in the past).
I suppose there is a "culture of rape" in some frat house on some campus somewhere, but you will be hard pressed to convince me that it's the norm in even a significant percentage (say, 10 percent) of fraternities, much less most of them.
Fraternities and sororities are often associated with hazing, drinking and partying, but graduation rates among Greeks are 20% higher than those who do not belong to a fraternity or sorority. The hazing deaths make headlines, but the fundraisers, community activities, and philanthropy events generally do not. Sorority and fraternity membership teaches crucial social interaction skills (despite the ridiculous claim that they are antisocial). Since 1825 all but three presidents have been members of a fraternity. 85% of Fortune 500 executives were part of Greek life. The first female astronaut was Greek. So was the first female senator.
Binge drinking is stupid, but I don't know that it rises to the level of morally reprehensible, unless you're a Southern Baptist or Church of Christ or something. Yes, alcohol abuse is a big problem on college campuses. That's what happens with kids nearing drinking age get away from home and away from adult supervision. But fraternities play a much smaller part than you think. At the 951 ranked college and universities represented in the annual US News and World Report survey, an average of 8.1 percent of the male undergraduate students were members of a fraternity. I don't know if it's really fair or accurate to blame the big problem of alcohol abuse on campuses on like 10 percent of the student body.
The Top 10 universities in fraternity membership, where membership is considerably higher, like Welch College in Nashville at 98 percent (formerly the Free Will Baptist College), Lyon College in Batesville, AR at 92 percent (Presbyterian college), Washington and Lee University in Lexington, VA at 86 percent (alcohol not permitted in Greek housing or residence halls - 2000 students), DePaw University in Greencastle, Indiana at 76 percent (2400 students, formerly Indiana Asbury Methodist University), and the others, aren't on the top 10 list of party schools despite the high Greek membership (although, DePaw University, primarily a music school, has made the list in the past).
I suppose there is a "culture of rape" in some frat house on some campus somewhere, but you will be hard pressed to convince me that it's the norm in even a significant percentage (say, 10 percent) of fraternities, much less most of them.
Fraternities and sororities are often associated with hazing, drinking and partying, but graduation rates among Greeks are 20% higher than those who do not belong to a fraternity or sorority. The hazing deaths make headlines, but the fundraisers, community activities, and philanthropy events generally do not. Sorority and fraternity membership teaches crucial social interaction skills (despite the ridiculous claim that they are antisocial). Since 1825 all but three presidents have been members of a fraternity. 85% of Fortune 500 executives were part of Greek life. The first female astronaut was Greek. So was the first female senator.
Well, for one, hazing, by its very definition, is a social activity, not an antisocial activity. Its purpose is to initiate a person into a group of others. You can't get more social than that.
Binge drinking is antisocial, if you do it alone. If you do it at a party as part of a large social group, it's a social activity.
Rape culture is not the same as sexual assault, and while sexual assault is a problem on college campuses, it does not begin and end with frat houses, nor is all sexual assault a rape. On most college campuses sexual harassment in general (which can be simply being asked out on a date by someone you don't think is cute) is classified as sexual assault, and sexual assault is erroneously assumed by many to mean rape. Like I said, there may be an actual rape culture in some frat house somewhere, but it's absolutely not nearly enough to become a stereotype which could excuse prejudging all fraternities on that basis.