Jailed for a 5 cent theft

[WanderngFool]

I get a kick out of how threads like this bring out the saint in people.

Sitting outside a Lowes surfing on the free wifi? Did you ask permission to

a)Park in their lot for free overnight?
b)Run up their bandwidth usage?

If you don't order anything and use a restaurant restroom you're "borrowing" water and getting in the way of the paying customers that have a right to be there.

I could be wrong and it's just my observation but I think societal norms say laptops and cellphones are ok but only at tables. Using outside outlets for most anything is asking for trouble. Ducking into a restaurant to use the restroom is probably ok because people have used gas stations that way since the car was invented. "Borrowing" wifi from a business is something I could argue either way.

It will be interesting to watch how norms develop for charging cars. I read an article a while back that some people (in California probably) were installing outlets out by the road for people to freely use for charging their cars. Liberals no doubt.

 

[runrunner]

When you use unsecured WiFi it might not be ok and it might.
Michigan man dodges prison in theft of Wi-Fi | News Blogs - CNET News

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legality_of_piggybacking

 

[runrunner]

I think any time you do anything on someone's property you should ask permission first unless it is meant for customer use,then you must be a customer. I don't and would not cut through someone's yard but lazy people do.

 

[KickStarter6]

SVP and Russillo quote "if I buy this candy bar can I use ya crapper?"

Making fun of people from the Boston area that Ryen Russillo is from

 

[layoutshooter]

I get a kick out of how threads like this bring out the saint in people.

Sitting outside a Lowes surfing on the free wifi? Did you ask permission to

a)Park in their lot for free overnight?
b)Run up their bandwidth usage?

If you don't order anything and use a restaurant restroom you're "borrowing" water and getting in the way of the paying customers that have a right to be there.

I could be wrong and it's just my observation but I think societal norms say laptops and cellphones are ok but only at tables. Using outside outlets for most anything is asking for trouble. Ducking into a restaurant to use the restroom is probably ok because people have used gas stations that way since the car was invented. "Borrowing" wifi from a business is something I could argue either way.

It will be interesting to watch how norms develop for charging cars. I read an article a while back that some people (in California probably) were installing outlets out by the road for people to freely use for charging their cars. Liberals no doubt.

Please explain why those who choose to own an electric car should NOT pay 100% for THEIR fuel the say way everybody else has to do? PLEASE don't insult me with that "green" stuff, they are as bad, or worse, as every other car on the road. They also don't yet, in many states, pay any road taxes on their fuel, like everybody else has to do. They use the roads, and don't pay for that either.

This is guy is a moocher. He said so. Moocher's are often thieves, like this guy.

 

[WanderngFool]

Please explain why those who choose to own an electric car should NOT pay 100% for THEIR fuel the say way everybody else has to do? PLEASE don't insult me with that "green" stuff, they are as bad, or worse, as every other car on the road. They also don't yet, in many states, pay any road taxes on their fuel, like everybody else has to do. They use the roads, and don't pay for that either.

This is guy is a moocher. He said so. Moocher's are often thieves, like this guy.

How's the air up there on your high horse?

You've never stolen water from a gas station or a restaurant? In other words, used the rest room without first asking permission while doing the pee pee dance. lol

 

[layoutshooter]

I have never stolen water from anyone and I pee only on trees, that is what they are there for.

Why should electric cars be given FREE fuel? WE are paying for that electricity. It is subsidized, and in some cases like wind turbines HEAVILY, with tax payer dollars. I buy MY fuel, so should everyone else. Gull darn moochers are the cause of 40% of all the problems in this country, the politicians that cater to them cause 50% and those who condone it the other 10%. Bums is bums, it are how it are. It are always been that way and it are always going to be that way. Carry your own (not you you the general you not as in military general) weight, or leave. We don't NEED moochers, thieves and bums.

 

[cheri1122]

I get a kick out of how threads like this bring out the saint in people.

Sitting outside a Lowes surfing on the free wifi? Did you ask permission to

a)Park in their lot for free overnight?
b)Run up their bandwidth usage?

If they offer free parking and wifi, permission is not needed.

If you don't order anything and use a restaurant restroom you're "borrowing" water and getting in the way of the paying customers that have a right to be there.

I could be wrong and it's just my observation but I think societal norms say laptops and cellphones are ok but only at tables. Using outside outlets for most anything is asking for trouble. Ducking into a restaurant to use the restroom is probably ok because people have used gas stations that way since the car was invented. "Borrowing" wifi from a business is something I could argue either way.

Wifi is provided for the customers, so if you order, you're golden. If you're sitting outside in your vehicle, they can ask you to vacate the parking spot, and they'd be within their rights. In my experience, this rarely happens [except at motels, lol] if you're not parked by the door for hours on end.

It will be interesting to watch how norms develop for charging cars. I read an article a while back that some people (in California probably) were installing outlets out by the road for people to freely use for charging their cars. Liberals no doubt.

What a nice idea! As the vid showed, it doesn't cost much, so why not? At least they can [literally] see their donation being used as intended, which is more than you can say for many 'charitable' organizations.

 

[xiggi]

On the same note how is taking electric for a car any different than taking gas for one?

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[layoutshooter]

On the same note how is taking electric for a car any different than taking gas for one?

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It's not in ANY way shape or form. Theft is theft.

 

[cheri1122]

On the same note how is taking electric for a car any different than taking gas for one?

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It's different because of the perception: businesses [restaurants, conference centers, hotels] and public facilities [airports, libraries] have long offered free wifi and electrical outlets to the customers. Granted, the electrical outlets are intended for small electronics, like cellphones & laptops, but the principle is the same: recharge your batteries for free.
The man in question is undoubtedly accustomed to being treated to such freebies, as a customer, and didn't even think to question the legality of plugging in. It doesn't excuse his transgression, but it explains why he didn't consider it an act of theft.
I've never known any business to offer free gas - if you have, please share, lol.

 

[layoutshooter]

It's different because of the perception: businesses [restaurants, conference centers, hotels] and public facilities [airports, libraries] have long offered free wifi and electrical outlets to the customers. Granted, the electrical outlets are intended for small electronics, like cellphones & laptops, but the principle is the same: recharge your batteries for free.
The man in question is undoubtedly accustomed to being treated to such freebies, as a customer, and didn't even think to question the legality of plugging in. It doesn't excuse his transgression, but it explains why he didn't consider it an act of theft.
I've never known any business to offer free gas - if you have, please share, lol.

The man? in question is a thief and a moocher, by his own words. If he cannot "think" beyond fueling a vehicle and charging a laptop, he is an idiot as well.

 

[xiggi]

I see no difference when its a car fuel is fuel. Not sure how it has anything to do with WiFi cell phones or anything else.

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[moose]

I've never known any business to offer free gas - if you have, please share, lol.

Taco bell!

 

[cheri1122]

I see no difference when its a car fuel is fuel. Not sure how it has anything to do with WiFi cell phones or anything else.

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It's not fuel, it's electricity, which businesses give away all the time. If he were somewhere [like a hotel lobby, conference center, airport] where he could recharge a cellphone, laptop, electric razor, why couldn't he plug in his car too?
Answer: because he plugged it in outside, which is where outlets are placed for the business' use, not the customers.
Next time, he just needs an extension cord.

 

[xiggi]

It is fuel plain and simple kind of hard to argue that.

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[WRAII]

If you are ever in ontario ca, go to the mall and look at the reserved parking spaces up front next to the handicapped parking. They offer free electricity for electric cars. I guess they figure if they get more people to use green cars it will save on cost of peoples insurance not having to breath all the smog.
If i go into mercedes to buy a 2.00 dollar fuse, does that entitle me to a free cup of coffee and snack? What about for my wife and her step-mom?

 

[WRAII]

I agree he stole the electricity, but anyone that has ever picked up a coin that was not theirs is also a thief.

 

[KickStarter6]

If i go into mercedes to buy a 2.00 dollar fuse, does that entitle me to a free cup of coffee and snack? What about for my wife and her step-mom?

I realize this is different but when I take the sprinter to get its oil change I drink their keurig empty lol. I was their 4.5 hours last Monday and I seriously drank 19 large coffees. I could see smell; i was buggin

 

[Turtle]

It is fuel plain and simple kind of hard to argue that.

It's incredibly easy to ague. Electricity is a form of energy, not a type or form of fuel.

Power and fuel are not the same thing. Fuel is not energy, but contains potential energy. The potential energy stored in a fuel can be converted into any number of types of energy, including the chemical energy contained in a combustion chamber that gets converted to mechanical energy that powers a vehicle, and into mechanical energy that turns a copper coil around a magnet to convert it into electrical energy. Even batteries don't store electricity, they store energy, which is converted through chemical processes (electrochemical) into electricity.

Cars and trucks are not powered by gasoline or diesel, they are powered by the energy stored within the gasoline or diesel fuels. Power is defined as the amount of energy consumed per unit time. The unit of power is the joule per second (J/s), known as the Watt (named after James Watt). The rate at which a light bulb converts electrical energy into heat and light is measured in Watts (the more wattage, the more power (or the more electrical energy) is used per unit time). Light bulbs, as with all electrical appliances, are not powered by diesel or any other fuel, they are powered by electrical energy. Electric cars are no different than a light bulb, a laptop or an electric dishwasher, as all are powered by electrical energy, not the fuels which contain potential electrical energy.