It's Called Self Defense.

[muttly]

It's doubtful this judge would be intimidated by the threat of more riots. He probably sees where this case is headed and would rather it go to the jury, which in all likelihood will render a "not guilty" verdict on all the felony charges and maybe even the misdemeanor gun charge. Local and state authorities have already put the National Guard on standby in anticipation of any civil unrest that might result from a not guilty verdict.

Keep in mind this jury is composed of residents of Kenosha, who lived through several nights of rioting, looting and property destruction that amounted to over 50 MILLION DOLLARS to their community. Each one of these people was very likely effected directly or indirectly by this mayhem, which the local authorities did little to control or put down. Although it's pure speculation, these people will probably hold little sympathy for the three criminals who were part of these rioters and were caught on video attacking Rittenhouse who was obviously not the aggressor in any of the three situations.

One last thought: it hasn't been widely reported, but Rittenhouse's father, grandmother and other family members live in Kenosha, so he does have connections to the community. He lives with his mother in Antioch, IL which is only 15-20 miles away, about a 30 minute drive. People in these smaller communities know or know of each other. There's likely to be more sympathy for him among the jury that's completely different from the mainstream media and the Twitter mob.

We shall see about the jury. I hope you’re right. Although there can be some real “Einsteins” put on a jury to be receptive to the most inane arguments by a prosecution or a defense. In this case some of the prosecutions arguments are that Rittenhouse raised his gun at some point in the evening, therefore provoking the attack, so even if he ran away from confrontations he couldn’t use deadly force to stop multiple potentially deadly assaults from people chasing him because of the supposed initial “antagonistic act” like that or putting out a fire. So Rosenbaum chasing after him and lunging for Rittenhouse’s rifle while foaming at the mouth with anger should be met with non lethal force. And the subsequent mob chasing after him( to make a citizen’s arrest?)without knowing all the facts about the first shooting and trying to foot stomp him in the head, head smash him with a skateboard and a handgun pointed at him by another should be allowed without any self defense.

Regarding the judge. While I do like him and is trying to be fair, he seems to be mostly a loud bark and no bite. He’ll get really really mad at the slick tricks the prosecutors employ, but won’t take action on it.
The prosecutor apparently has been before this judge hundreds of times so he knows what he can get away with and just yank his chain, let him get angry, and then chuckle to himself with knowing glee that nothing will be done.

 

[Pilgrim]

And I have said it before, I believe the protests turned into riots by mostly white instigators, they knew that once they started it, the protesters would continue rioting, just like a bolt of lightening in a dry forest.

What made you come to that conclusion?

 

[danthewolf00]

The prosecutor does not like this "reasonable " jury now lol knowing he screwed up.

 

[coalminer]

What made you come to that conclusion?

The far right white supremist types have been wanting to start a race war for a while, but they know they are outnumbered. They need to get more people on their side, and what is the best way to do it but to make black people look like lawless savages. Every time there was a protest they would go there and start the rioting, every time convincing more and more average white people that they need to go and buy a gun to protect themselves, so they can take back "their" country.

Disgusting isn't it?

 

[roadeyes]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/us-rittenhouse-trial-begins-1.6233850

You read this article (and don't bother with your liberal bs media retorts either) and look into the face of that kid and you tell me that he doesn't know exactly what he is doing (including that choreographed act that he put on when he was on the stand) and you honestly tell me that he didn't have this all planned out. He is an indoctrinated proud boy/ hitler youth and everything he does and the look on his face says that in spades. As I've said before, I don't blame the kid, he just needs to be deprogrammed.

It's possible though he maybe so radicalized at this point (think back to the picture with him in his FAF shirt with the proud boys) that he might view any deprogramming as torture....

 

[muttly]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/us-rittenhouse-trial-begins-1.6233850

You read this article (and don't bother with your liberal bs media retorts either) and look into the face of that kid and you tell me that he doesn't know exactly what he is doing (including that choreographed act that he put on when he was on the stand) and you honestly tell me that he didn't have this all planned out. He is an indoctrinated proud boy/ hitler youth and everything he does and the look on his face says that in spades. As I've said before, I don't blame the kid, he just needs to be deprogrammed.

It's possible though he maybe so radicalized at this point (think back to the picture with him in his FAF shirt with the proud boys) that he might view any deprogramming as torture....

He was running away, chased, and physically attacked multiple times with force that could have done great bodily harm or worse to him. Textbook self defense.
# factsmatter

 

[danthewolf00]

I can tell you from personal experience that getting hit with a skateboard in the head is not fun ever.

 

[Pilgrim]

The far right white supremist types have been wanting to start a race war for a while, but they know they are outnumbered. They need to get more people on their side, and what is the best way to do it but to make black people look like lawless savages. Every time there was a protest they would go there and start the rioting, every time convincing more and more average white people that they need to go and buy a gun to protect themselves, so they can take back "their" country.

Seriously??

Do you have any documented evidence to support how and when these "white supremist types" started the Kenosha riots? Any facts at all to back up any of these claims? Granted, we see white rioters who participate in BLM riots, but they are hardly far right radicals. BTW, the stuff posted on Twitter and other social media doesn't count.

BLM riots in numerous cities may be one reason for increased gun sales in those particular areas, but they're hardly the only reason for the increases nationwide. That's a completely different discussion.

 

[Turtle]

(and don't bother with your liberal bs media retorts either)

... as he links to an article from very liberal CBC.

BWAAAHAAA

 

[muttly]

Seriously??

Do you have any documented evidence to support how and when these "white supremist types" started the Kenosha riots? Any facts at all to back up any of these claims? Granted, we see white rioters who participate in BLM riots, but they are hardly far right radicals. BTW, the stuff posted on Twitter and other social media doesn't count.

BLM riots in numerous cities may be one reason for increased gun sales in those particular areas, but they're hardly the only reason for the increases nationwide. That's a completely different discussion.

The white rioters are the leftist Antifa. Helmets, backpacks and skateboards.
Baseball bats and other Neanderthal weapons.

 

[Pilgrim]

I can tell you from personal experience that getting hit with a skateboard in the head is not fun ever.

The average skateboard weighs 7-10 lbs. Plenty of mass to constitute a deadly weapon when used by an adult.

 

[danthewolf00]

The average skateboard weighs 7-10 lbs. Plenty of mass to constitute a deadly weapon when used by an adult.

Try a 1990s skateboard lol a bit heavier. Not like these newer lighter boards.

 

[roadeyes]

... as he links to an article from very liberal CBC.

BWAAAHAAA

Can you tell me anything about that writeup that you feel is innacurate? Or true to form are you just going to stay in snipe mode with nothing intelligent to say in regards to what seems to be a very factual article? Your response is typical of a Rush Limbaugh wannabe.....

 

[roadeyes]

The far right white supremist types have been wanting to start a race war for a while, but they know they are outnumbered. They need to get more people on their side, and what is the best way to do it but to make black people look like lawless savages. Every time there was a protest they would go there and start the rioting, every time convincing more and more average white people that they need to go and buy a gun to protect themselves, so they can take back "their" country.

Disgusting isn't it?

Exactly! So the argument here really shouldn't be one of self defense when my argument would be that running away or not, he initiated the conflict by being there. Any persons so called "right to be there" has to come with the resposibility attached to it that says if you wilingly put yourself in harms way while not protecting yourself, your family or your property, and you cause death or injury, you should be held accountable imo.

 

[muttly]

Exactly! So the argument here really shouldn't be one of self defense when my argument would be that running away or not, he initiated the conflict by being there. Any persons so called "right to be there" has to come with the resposibility attached to it that says if you wilingly put yourself in harms way while not protecting yourself, your family or your property, and you cause death or injury, you should be held accountable imo.

This is a ridiculous argument. So putting out fires hurt the rioter’s feeling and should be able to use deadly force against Rittenhouse without any self defense by him?

 

[Moot]

The far right left white supremist types have been wanting to start a race war for a while...

Don't you mean far left white supremacists? You know the socialist types. It's really a class war under the guise of racism. Who is always playing the race card? If you voted for Trump you're a racist. If you are for border security you're a racist. If you are for pipelines and fossil fuels you're a racist. If you support police you are a racist. If you don't get the COVID vaccine you are a racist. Why is it that if anyone disagrees with the left they are labeled a racist?

 

[Moot]

So the argument here really shouldn't be one of self defense when my argument would be that running away or not, he initiated the conflict by being there. Any persons so called "right to be there" has to come with the resposibility attached to it that says if you wilingly put yourself in harms way while not protecting yourself, your family or your property, and you cause death or injury, you should be held accountable imo.

Would that argument not apply to the two dead dudes and the injured guy? They are also guilty of initiating the conflict by being there. This after all was a riot. Anyone on that street or in the vicinity was putting themselves in harms way. The three victims were armed and capable of causing death or injury. They failed to adequately protect themselves and suffered the consequences.

 

[Turtle]

Can you tell me anything about that writeup that you feel is innacurate? Or true to form are you just going to stay in snipe mode with nothing intelligent to say in regards to what seems to be a very factual article? Your response is typical of a Rush Limbaugh wannabe.....

I cannot tell you anything about the article that is inaccurate. I never claimed the article was in any way inaccurate. I noted the outlet is liberally biased, used by you as a preemptive rejection of liberal news retorts. That's funny. But if you're after inaccuracies, paragraph 6 is full of vague, inaccurate claims that are designed to confirm the biases of the outlet's typical audience. And the attached video and caption reinforces that bias. Unbiased reporting would not have included paragraph 6 at all, or the video and caption, because it's got nothing to do with the headline or the leed. It's included solely to prime the reader for emotional bias.

 

[Pilgrim]

Would that argument not apply to the two dead dudes and the injured guy? They are also guilty of initiating the conflict by being there. This after all was a riot. Anyone on that street or in the vicinity was putting themselves in harms way. The three victims were armed and capable of causing death or injury. They failed to adequately protect themselves and suffered the consequences.

The three guys that were shot initiated the conflict with more than just "being there". In each case they made verbal threats and aggressive physical actions that were easily interpreted by Rittenhouse as posing the possibility of death or grave bodily harm. That justifies self defense in almost any imaginable legal case. There were three separate instances:

According to court testimony Rosenbaum was shown to be mentally unstable and supposedly on medication. He had an extensive criminal record of violence, which included raping and molesting young boys, and was on probation. He was caught on video taunting and threatening other people at the car dealership, and told Rittenhouse and others that he would kill them if he caught them alone. He then proceeded to assault Rittenhouse and grabbed his rifle only to get shot for his efforts. Given seconds to decide, how many people wouldn't choose to defend themselves in that situation considering there was no option to take cover or get away?

Huber was also a petty criminal, and was using a skateboard to attack Rittenhouse who had fallen to the ground and had no means of escape and no defense other than his weapon. Once again, a case for self defense using lethal force could be justified.

Grosskreutz had a prior arrest for going armed with a handgun while drunk. He was aggressively advancing towards Rittenhouse and pointing a loaded pistol at him at close range. He admitted this in court. There's no greater justification for lethal force in self defense, period. He's lucky he was only wounded.

Considering Rittenhouse was obviously armed with a deadly weapon and in the same riotous circumstances as the three men described above, they could have chosen to avoid him and stay out of harm's way. Instead they chose to engage him and be the aggressors.

Joseph Rosenbaum & Anthony Huber Criminal Records Explored

Joseph Rosenbaum & Anthony Huber Criminal Records Explored. We've decided to tell you the criminal records of the men shot in Kenosha shooting.

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[muttly]

So even if the three that were chasing and trying to subdue him by violent means thought he was an “active shooter” doesn’t negate Rittenhouse’s right to self defense. They chose to chase without knowing exactly the circumstances of the first shooting, which was self defense. They could have called 911 and let the police handle it.