Is U.S. Now On Slippery Slope To Tyranny?

chefdennis

Veteran Expediter
As usual, Mr. Swoll as it pretty much spot on....

Is U.S. Now On Slippery Slope To Tyranny?

By THOMAS SOWELL
Posted 06:13 PM ET
Is U.S. Now On Slippery Slope To Tyranny? - IBD - Investors.com

When Adolf Hitler was building up the Nazi movement in the 1920s, leading up to his taking power in the 1930s, he deliberately sought to activate people who did not normally pay much attention to politics.

Such people were a valuable addition to his political base, since they were particularly susceptible to Hitler's rhetoric and had far less basis for questioning his assumptions or his conclusions.

"Useful idiots" was the term supposedly coined by V.I. Lenin to describe similarly unthinking supporters of his dictatorship in the Soviet Union.

Put differently, a democracy needs informed citizens if it is to thrive, or ultimately even survive.

In our times, American democracy is being dismantled, piece by piece, before our very eyes by the current administration in Washington, and few people seem to be concerned about it.

The president's poll numbers are going down because increasing numbers of people disagree with particular policies of his, but the damage being done to the fundamental structure of this nation goes far beyond particular counterproductive policies.

Just where in the Constitution of the United States does it say that a president has the authority to extract vast sums of money from a private enterprise and distribute it as he sees fit to whomever he deems worthy of compensation? Nowhere.

And yet that is precisely what is happening with a $20 billion fund to be provided by BP to compensate people harmed by their oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico.

Many among the public and in the media may think that the issue is simply whether BP's oil spill has damaged many people, who ought to be compensated.

But our government is supposed to be "a government of laws and not of men."

If our laws and our institutions determine that BP ought to pay $20 billion — or $50 billion or $100 billion — then so be it.

But the Constitution says that private property is not to be confiscated by the government without "due process of law."

Technically, it has not been confiscated by Barack Obama, but that is a distinction without a difference.

With vastly expanded powers of government available at the discretion of politicians and bureaucrats, private individuals and organizations can be forced into accepting the imposition of powers that were never granted to the government by the Constitution.

If you believe that the end justifies the means, then you don't believe in constitutional government.

And, without constitutional government, freedom cannot endure. There will always be a "crisis" — which, as the president's chief of staff has said, cannot be allowed to "go to waste" as an opportunity to expand the government's power.

That power will of course not be confined to BP or to the particular period of crisis that gave rise to the use of that power, much less to the particular issues.

When Franklin D. Roosevelt arbitrarily took the United States off the gold standard, he cited a law passed during the First World War to prevent trading with the country's wartime enemies. But there was no war when FDR ended the gold standard's restrictions on the printing of money.

At about the same time, during the worldwide Great Depression, the German Reichstag passed a law "for the relief of the German people."

That law gave Hitler dictatorial powers that were used for things going far beyond the relief of the German people — indeed, powers that ultimately brought a rain of destruction down on the German people and on others.

If the agreement with BP was an isolated event, perhaps we might hope that it would not be a precedent. But there is nothing isolated about it.

The man appointed by President Obama to dispense BP's money as the administration sees fit, to whomever it sees fit, is only the latest in a long line of presidentially appointed "czars" controlling different parts of the economy, without even having to be confirmed by the Senate, as Cabinet members are.

Those who cannot see beyond the immediate events to the issues of arbitrary power — vs. the rule of law and the preservation of freedom — are the "useful idiots" of our time. But useful to whom?
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
As much as I feel for almost everyone who has to deal with the disaster on a personal level, there is no excuse nor need to go to this step and screw all of us up. BP is to blame for the disaster but the aftermath is the fault of the US government. BUT to add to the blame, BP took a step backward and caved to the threats of the US government by allowing the administration to do what they see fit and paying for things that are out of their control.

I would have rather seen BP step up and admitted to the disaster but then also fight to keep control of their money and their ability to pay people who are claiming legitimate claims.

The next horrible step would be to take over a foreign company and claim it as our own without due process. But didn't Stalin do that and Hitler during his ramping up to war - taking over small companies and handing them over to ... wait didn't that happen with GM?
 

chefdennis

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LOL!!! Ken Ken Ken.....:rolleyes: Feinburg is barrys "Pay Czar"...he was choosen by barry and HE has complete control of the funds and will do with them how he sees fit. He may be paid by BP, but they had nothing to do with him being in that position. LOL, today he said it would be possible for a restaurant owner in Boston that can't get shrimp from the golf to file a client...then he would see if it had merit......:rolleyes:
 
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dieseldiva

Veteran Expediter
Let's get real here....who do you think this man answers to? And it wouldn't surprise me to see claims from all over made, and paid. This is the one that should make us all nervous......

Just where in the Constitution of the United States does it say that a president has the authority to extract vast sums of money from a private enterprise and distribute it as he sees fit to whomever he deems worthy of compensation? Nowhere.
 

chefdennis

Veteran Expediter
Ken Feinberg Named BP Oil Spill Escrow Pay Czar

Administration Looks to Former 'Special Master of Compensation' to Manage Payouts

BP Gulf Oil Spill: Ken Feinberg Appointed Head of Escrow Fund - ABC News

Are you embroiled in a dispute about pay? Maybe you're not getting the money you deserve? Or maybe someone else is getting more than they should?

Call Ken Feinberg, pay czar extraordinaire.

On Wednesday, the Obama administration revealed that Feinberg would take charge of a $20 billion escrow fund to compensate people and businesses harmed by the BP oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico.

"I'm confident he will assure that claims are administered as quickly, as fairly and as transparently as possible," President Obama said in a speech at the White House.

Another crisis, another compensation issue, another job for Feinberg. In a statement Feinberg said that was "honored by the President's confidence in me and will work tirelessly to provide prompt, appropriate compensation to all those victims of the disaster. I assure everybody that the Independent Claims Facility will be administered in a fair and impartial manner. Time is of the essence. I urge all those who have suffered financial loss as a result of the oil spill to file a claim as soon as possible

As to who cares!?!? No where does any president have the power to demand that any private company or citizen give up private property without due process!!! And money held my a company as profits is private property....and where were the hearings held in any court of law to determine the amount of damages!?!? I am not trying to let BP off the hook, but why was it even necessary for this "escrow" account to be set up in the 1st place? Where did BP ever say they weren't going to provide restitution??
 

LDB

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Retired Expediter
"I'm confident he will assure that claims are administered as quickly, as fairly and as transparently as possible," President Obama said in a speech at the White House.

As if this guy knows anything about transparency or could be trusted in any way at all. That's the biggest problem with this whole situation, the involvement of the communist in chief.
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
OVM,
the taxpayers would still be on the hook for a number of things.

You miss a few things, so here is how it really works.

The US Coast Gaurd is charged with protecting the waters but they are not charges with regulating things. The EPA can and does have that authority.

With 14 or 15 agencies down there right now (from the EPA to the DoL), the US tax payer is footing the bill, remember the first group of people sent there were lawyers and WE paid for them.

Now the US Federal Government can not legally send a bill to BP for the amount of money that WE are spending administering the Obama cluster**ck mess down there. HOWEVER because there is a 'fund' set aside for the purpose of just compensation, they can tap that fund to compensate the US Federal Government for costs that they could not normally charge and because BP voluntarily handed over the money, they can now do it legally by being the US Federal Government as one of the 'victims'.

The agencies and the Coast Gaurd all operate under a specific budget for their needs. This year's money is spent on this and other issues. Remember that the Coast Gaurd is part of the military and like the US army, it doesn't send a bill to the people they help. But I digress... because it is a budgetary issue, not a business type issue, any and all money that is sent from the BP compensation slush fund to the US Federal Government will end up in either a general fund or if congress doesn't get involved (which they are obligated to do before any money was asked for), allowed to be spent on WH pet projects as part of a WH discretionary budget.

BP is obligated to only $75 million and that's all they are obligated for. This issue in itself is something that we all need to be concerned about, not the disaster but the strong arming the country into Green Energy by demonizing the entire energy sector and making unrealistic and possibly illegal moves.
 

chefdennis

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So where is the info on the fact that BP had said that they were not going to pay for the cleanup and take care of any claims!?!? BP didn't just walk in and offer up 20 billion to barry and offer to let him run the claims and then tell barry that hey,that is and open ended deal, we will dump and 20 billion or 50 billion at any time...give me a break, this is chicago thug politics as usual. Hell barry wanted them to take responciblity for cleaning golf CLEANER the it was BEFORE they were even drilling there. barry wanted them to pay for people that are off work because bARRY shut down every well in the gulf. BP had enough "stuff" to tell him that wasn't happening...but the folded on the illegal unconstitutional shakedown for the 20 billion.....so again where was the "due process" to take private property??? I guess as is said to me from time to time, "the ends justify the means" huh!?!? Well wait until the gov grabs a private citizens property without "due process" , hopefully its not you land....WAIT...the gov does that already, they use "eminent domain" to screw over the people...in this case barry use Chicago Thug Politics....

Now as for exxon...they didn't screw over anyone. They paid out the total liability of $507.7 million in both actual damage and punitive damages as set by the COURT...

They were found to have to pay $287 million in actual damages plus $5 billion for punitive damages. They appealed the 5 billion several times and in all be twice the punitive damages were lowered to the point that they were only responcible for the $507.7 million.

The times spent in court were for the most part APPEALS by exxon over the excessive punitive damages. Thats how the system is suppose to work. Exxon and the people (the courts) had the "due process" they were entitled to, not a thug shakedown by a worthless marxist thug.....

So again, where does barry get the power to demand this 20 billion dollar fund when the law that was in place at the time doesn't give him that power and the law that was put in place AFTER the exxon case limited them to 75 million.....where does he get the power to demand this screwing of the Constitution and the due process that BP and anyone else is entitled to????
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
You should be very very concern if you want to live here freely. It isn't the way our system actually works and even if it happens with a multinational company, that means it can happen to you.

See it is these little BS things that matter, not the big BS things. BP is at fault for the disaster and doing things beyond what is required by law to do. Remember ethics don't play into this but the law does and the law is $75M limit to all damages - period. We are a nation of laws nothing else. They can take BP to court but they would lose and they know it because there have already been cases that proceed this.

But BP has been trying to do the right thing to a point, I think the effort that is going on is hampered by the feds, especially the disaster commander who is in charge, not by BP.

I heard something that makes sense from a disaster recovery point of view, the president is lacking leadership. IF this is the biggest disaster we have had in this country then he is not doing his job. The absolutely first thing he should be doing, not the disaster commander or BP CEO or anyone else for that matter, is to meet with all the affected governors EVERY MORNING. FIRST map out strategies with them, make a clear cut plan with them and then follow up WITH THEM - EVERY MORNING. When a problem like the coast guard telling barges to head back to shore because they don't have life preservers or the EPA says no to using oil disperses, then the GOVERNORS need to get Obama to CORRECT the issue right then and there to allow this to happen. That's leadership.

BUT the real problem is that this president, who is the guy who is supposed to be our messiah, is no where to be found. He is playing politics with peoples lives, he is trying to punish republican governors for being republican governors and punishing the people for having republicans in office. The really sad thing is Obama has divided the country even more, punishing the people of the gulf for being pro-business and pro-oil and helping those who see green in Green so they can build their own empires - a bit Hitleristic on many levels.
 
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