US Rep. Paul Ryan doesn't believe IRS commissioner is a truth teller.
Paul Ryan blasts IRS commissioner: 'I don't believe you' - YouTube
Paul Ryan blasts IRS commissioner: 'I don't believe you' - YouTube
Is the IRS a corrupt federal agency?
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Obama spoke to the charge of IRS corruption some months ago and gave an emphatic "No"
Not even a smidgen: Obama Says "Not Even a Smidgen of Corruption" in IRS Scandal - YouTube
Not even a smidgen: Obama Says "Not Even a Smidgen of Corruption" in IRS Scandal - YouTube
"Obama spoke to the charge of IRS corruption some months ago and gave an emphatic "No""
If you like your policy, you can keep it.
If you like your policy, you can keep it.
When he said not even a smidgen, he must have been referring to the liquidated hard drives .
And since all crap flows down hill, it all starts in the White House.
If crap flows downhill, it must start at the capital.
Is that not the White House?
At least I THOUGHT the White House was the "Crapital"
Is this place not on capitol hill?Is that not the White House?
And it is from there that all crap flows.
WanderngFool
Active Expediter
They're both white.
Sharyl Attkisson seems to give an even-handed summary about where we are in understanding this investigation. The Missing IRS Emails | RealClearPolitics
Is it plausible these emails are irretrievably lost forever?
Is it plausible these emails are irretrievably lost forever?
Jamin_Joe
Seasoned Expediter
There is always a paper trail, especially with electronic communication. Personally I believe that the drives were purposly wiped clean, but who gave the order? They need to interview the techs that recycled the drives, the tape librisn that handles the backups. Most full data bsckups are kept off site and have long retention dates, most 5 to 10 years.
Someone gave orders to remove backup media, which is meticulasly logged, and the same goes with repair requests. Private offsite data storeage companies used ought to have the backup media, logs, and communications be supeanaed.
What is the request trail and who all made the requests?
Someone gave orders to remove backup media, which is meticulasly logged, and the same goes with repair requests. Private offsite data storeage companies used ought to have the backup media, logs, and communications be supeanaed.
What is the request trail and who all made the requests?
If they were lost by accident, it is possible that those e-mails are irretrievably lost, simply because the data might have been overwritten. However, if the drives crashed, which is what they claim, then the drives wouldn't have been in continued use and therefore not overwritten. In that case the e-mails are absolutely recoverable. I recovered data from crashed (and burned and exploded) hard drives at the Pentagon after the 911 plane crash there.
On the other hand, if someone intentionally erased that data, then it's almost certainly gone forever. When you delete a file from a hard drive on your laptop or desktop's hard drive, the file's data itself isn't actually deleted. There is an entry in the File Table (like an index in a book) where the entry for that file is deleted. The file itself still resides on the hard drive, and will remain there unless or until the sectors containing that data is overwritten by fresh data. With most federal government agencies, however, when data is normally deleted it's done in a secure manner which wipes the data clean, usually by a series of data writes containing 0s and 1s, then delete those, then write more 0s and 1s to those data sectors, then do that all over again 5 to 10 (up to 35) times, making it all but impossible to forensically recover any data. Then, to make sure those drives are squeaky clean, someone laid an electromagnet on top of the drives for a few seconds to completely wipe all magnetically stored data on the platters (they used a hard drive degausser, probably made by Fujitsu, which costs about $40,000 or a Proton which is about half that - both perform to DoD and NSA standards).
Jamin_Joe
Seasoned Expediter
The emails may be gone, but the data trail is out there in the forms of the header info and the path that the data took is still out there in the form of transaction logs of the servers and routers.
Here is a brief discription of how data is transfered along networks according to the OSI standard used in network communications.
Emails and data are addressed like a letter called packets, which are linked to the actual computers mac address. A mac address is the physical name perminatly burned onro to network chip on the computer, it cannot be changed. That mac address is stored on the server and is assigned an ip address, which is like a telephone extention in a large office. That is a part of a backup. The packet contains header information for the application like microsoft outlook to know exactly what the data is and how to reassemble the contents.
when the data reaches the network layer of the osi, it is given the addressing info, much like addressing an envelope. The transport layer, assignes what router the data should be sent to to get the destininations route. The physical layer is the actual tranmitting along the wires.
these packets are enclosed in other packets, which contain the information needed by each layer to process each packet.
Servers have trans action logs that contain the basic packet addressing information. Once again this is backed up and is beyond the ability of a standsrd user to modify.
The FBI is very well versed how to translate this, this is how they can trace emails and virus to the originator.
In the cloud, the data packets are sent to routers, which have thier logs.
At the destination server, the packets are disassembled to recreate the data, email.
The logging and backup process is still ongoing at all routing points.
It is posdible to regenerate these emails from the packets, since tge whole email wont fit into one packet. This us a royal pain in the rear, but there is software that can do this. Deleting network data is vertually impossible due to the way data is sent and what router and servers it was passed through.
Why is the Dept. Of Justice refusing to get the FBI involved? Thus is why it smells of coverup.
Here is a brief discription of how data is transfered along networks according to the OSI standard used in network communications.
Emails and data are addressed like a letter called packets, which are linked to the actual computers mac address. A mac address is the physical name perminatly burned onro to network chip on the computer, it cannot be changed. That mac address is stored on the server and is assigned an ip address, which is like a telephone extention in a large office. That is a part of a backup. The packet contains header information for the application like microsoft outlook to know exactly what the data is and how to reassemble the contents.
when the data reaches the network layer of the osi, it is given the addressing info, much like addressing an envelope. The transport layer, assignes what router the data should be sent to to get the destininations route. The physical layer is the actual tranmitting along the wires.
these packets are enclosed in other packets, which contain the information needed by each layer to process each packet.
Servers have trans action logs that contain the basic packet addressing information. Once again this is backed up and is beyond the ability of a standsrd user to modify.
The FBI is very well versed how to translate this, this is how they can trace emails and virus to the originator.
In the cloud, the data packets are sent to routers, which have thier logs.
At the destination server, the packets are disassembled to recreate the data, email.
The logging and backup process is still ongoing at all routing points.
It is posdible to regenerate these emails from the packets, since tge whole email wont fit into one packet. This us a royal pain in the rear, but there is software that can do this. Deleting network data is vertually impossible due to the way data is sent and what router and servers it was passed through.
Why is the Dept. Of Justice refusing to get the FBI involved? Thus is why it smells of coverup.
Nothing will come of this unless congress puts this in the Federal Courts.
From article:
First, Camp, and his colleague House Oversight Committee Chairman Rep. Darrell Issa (R-Ind.), need to immediately expand their subpoenas to every federal department, agency, or office that Lerner might have sent an email to or received one from, including the White House, which as we learned from U.S. v. Nixon is not immune to oversight.
Even if the IRS was not following the requirements of the Federal Records Act in maintaining email records, it would strain believability that every federal department, agency, and office Lerner emailed was similarly derelict in its duties. So, even if the missing Lerner emails are not on the IRS’s server, they may yet be located on other federal servers.
Second, time is of the essence. If there is a cover-up, it may take a court order to put a stop to it before it is too late. The House should immediately adopt a resolution directing the legislative body to file a civil action in the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia to enforce all outstanding Congressional subpoenas related to the IRS investigation, including any necessary forensic audits. The evidence needs to be preserved.
Read more at NetRightDaily.com: NetRight Daily» House must enforce Lerner email subpoenas in federal court
From article:
First, Camp, and his colleague House Oversight Committee Chairman Rep. Darrell Issa (R-Ind.), need to immediately expand their subpoenas to every federal department, agency, or office that Lerner might have sent an email to or received one from, including the White House, which as we learned from U.S. v. Nixon is not immune to oversight.
Even if the IRS was not following the requirements of the Federal Records Act in maintaining email records, it would strain believability that every federal department, agency, and office Lerner emailed was similarly derelict in its duties. So, even if the missing Lerner emails are not on the IRS’s server, they may yet be located on other federal servers.
Second, time is of the essence. If there is a cover-up, it may take a court order to put a stop to it before it is too late. The House should immediately adopt a resolution directing the legislative body to file a civil action in the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia to enforce all outstanding Congressional subpoenas related to the IRS investigation, including any necessary forensic audits. The evidence needs to be preserved.
Read more at NetRightDaily.com: NetRight Daily» House must enforce Lerner email subpoenas in federal court
Those subpoenas need to be extended up to, and including Holder and Obama. Polygraph them if need be.