is it wrong to publish public info

[kwexpress]

KW Express
o/o till i die

I just want all you drivers to know how to look up public information.there was another thread that was locked and rich made the comment about only people with broker authority can offer you loads.I dont 100% agree with that I think if you have your own authority that there is anything wrong with having agents that work from home and find loads for you as long as the load is booked under the authority that matches the name on the door of the truck picking up the load.Ive dispatched for as many as 5 seperate companies at one time but Ive set up each company with everyone I know.never do I call on a load and book it under my company name and dispatch it to another carrier that would be brokering.

as far as bonniemac I didnt want to run her off she helps people on getloaded with advise on all sort of topics but I have seen her ads about how she dispatches for people but wont give out her company name

if you get a call from anyone that wants you to take a load make sure they are either a broker or the load is booked under your company name it will save you alot of headache if they decide they dont want to pay. A broker will have a bond you can file on.if you take a load for a carrier thats booked under anyones company name other than yours the customer is going to pay that company and if they decide that they need the money more than you chances are it wont be worth what you have to do to collect.

just so you know when and if you get a call you should go to www.safersys.org a public website and look up the company makeing the offer to you just click on company snapshot and put in the name or MC# and it will tell you if they have active authority broker,carrier or both check out there MCS-150 if they are trying to recruit you to sign on with them.If they are pretenders they will tell you they have 50 trucks or whatever and they have been in the biz for years things like that and just double check what they are saying.your next step should be doing a credit check to see if there has been any claims of non-payment things like that.you can use a credit service like RTS or compunet to do this.and never just sign a rate agreement get a copy of there bond you may need it latter.

Bonnie like I said im sorry if I offended you but you shouldnt be offended if you have nothing to hide and see no reason why you shouldnt continue to post here.at least you do pay.
and when you got authority you put your information out there for everyone to see its not just for the dot its for anyone.

 

[RichM]

I don't remember making that comment that only brokers can offer you loads,are you sure it was me??

 

[arkjarhead]

In all honesty you shouldn't have published that info. Now if someone has a bone to pick with her instead of just sending her a pm they can call her at her work. I think it was a bad judgement call. I guess I'm not that knowledgable on the subject, but I don't understand why her personal info was relevant to the subject. You made a bad judgement call.

 

[BonnieMac]

"as far as bonniemac I didnt want to run her off she helps people on getloaded with advise on all sort of topics but I have seen her ads about how she dispatches for people but wont give out her company name"

Exactly KW. It is my right to give my company name to whoever I choose. This is not exactly a safe haven. It is an open forum, open to anyone who has a computer, nut, identity thief or sane person. I have learned to be extremely careful, the same way I teach my child to be careful. It is not because I have anything to hide, it is purely for my own personal protection as a human being. I do still have that right. When I signed up to this forum I could have posted my information, I chose not to and never will on any open internet forum. Its just not safe, period.

There was no reason for you to post that information. It had nothing to do with the conversation. I have done business with many of the folks over at getloaded and there are a lot of those folks that have my phone number and email address. They have it because I CHOSE to give it to them. I do have the right to choose who I associate with and who I do business with, do I not? Is it a requirement here that all my information be made public? Does everyone else in here have their company information, address, phone numbers posted whether they choose to or not? If that is a requirement than I don't belong here.

If you have read anything over at get loaded over the years you KNOW good and well that I feel strongly that it is foolish and unsafe to just hand out your personal or business information over a public internet forum. You knew that and yet thought it relevant to the conversation to throw it all out there. Why?

As for your insinuating that I have something to hide or am doing something wrong in business I suggest you be careful. I have worked long and hard for my company's reputation and protect it like it were my child. THAT is why my company stays as small as it is. I won't risk my company's reputation on just anyone. Its my livlihood. I live my life the same way.

You mentioned that you saw my "ad" about my dispatching service? I have never, ever advertised that service. I have discussed it, but never have I advertised it anywhere. I started it to help out another carrier that was struggling. I chose to help him because I knew him well. Even though I represent his company when I bid on a load for him its ultimately MY reputation and MY company's reputation on the line because the contacts I have are mine. The other company I work with are friends of mine and former co-workers with the expedite company we worked for. I have had a great number of people from GL approach me to dispatch for them and I have turned them all down. I am not willing to risk my company for someone unless I know them and their charactor and work habits extremely well.

I have never done anything illegal, I have never ever taken a load and brokered it out to anyone as I am only a carrier. I don't cancel a load after I have accepted it, even if something better comes along. I make my appointments on time, deliveries on time and am as honest as they come.

To those of you on the other thread that I let my frustrations and anger out on I apologize. I felt my privacy totally invaded without reason and reacted accordingly.

So to answer your question, is it wrong to publish public information? In some circumstances YES. In an open forum where people have the right to expect their identity to be protected, and have the right to be annonymous if they choose, yes it is wrong. It had nothing to do with the conversation, and you knew from GL that I am very protective of that information. So yes, I think you were dead wrong.

If someone came on here and had a complaint about my company that I was screwing people over or doing something illegal or unethical, then yes, you should post that information as a warning. This was not the case on this post.

To me its just a matter of common respect. If I wanted everyone to have that information its up to me to provide it unless you are warning them about a bad company. Do you have any indication whatsoever that these folks in here need to be warned to stay away from my company? If not, its not up to you whether or not I choose to reveal my identity. What you have done is put me at personal risk, in my opinion which is why I contacted the general manager and had the post removed. Although this forum is much smaller than GL, you still don't know who has access to it do you?

 

[late for dinner]

Way to go Bonnie! I notice that at least have your name posted on your profile, thats more than some people, if ya know what I mean.

 

[davekc]

I would advise using a broker or a carrier to obtain freight.
Why? Because both are licensed.
There are other methods, but I wouldn't believe they are reliable.
UShip is full of folks trying to ship items cheap. Usually furniture or ebay purchases. I wouldn't think any of them would have licenses.






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[late for dinner]

KW if you feel no shame and don't think what you did was wrong, why don't put out as much info on yourself as you did on bonnie. That way anyone can call you up, ect. You made a mistake and the fact that you don't think you did anything wrong really goes a long way in telling the world what kind of person you are.

 

[cheri1122]

And Bonniemac's post goes a long way to explain the person she is: intelligent, principled, honest, and unafraid to assert her rights, with civility throughout.
Bonniemac, I salute you.

 

[LDB]

I think the key word in all this is public. The information is public and available to anyone who cares to look for it. Would it be better if posted first hand? Perhaps so. Is it wrong to post public information? I personally don't think it is because of the very nature of the information. That said, if someone doesn't want it posted then it shouldn't be without extremely good cause to do so. Conversely, if it's all accurate it's exactly what anyone can get if they want to look for it. It seems to me the pendulum on this one is swinging far too wide on both sides based on what it is. If we were discussing medical reports or other personal non-public information the level of emotions and range of opinions would be more appropriate. My nickel's worth since pennies are worth more in copper than a penny now.

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[kwexpress]

KW Express
o/o till i die

New here but couldn't resist this one. I think I have the "dream" expedite company and even named it that. We are American Dream Trucks, Ltd. We came up with that name because my husband has always had beautiful trucks and carrys a motorcycle winch between the tractor and trailer to carry his Harley with him on the road.

this is a part of a past post you made not long ago bonnie so i guess you put your company name out there already.under the post dream expedite company.

I just used your company as an example like I said you are full of good info I even said I know you must pay your people I said nothing wrong about you I even asked you not to leave.I know for a fact you are a good person.

and Richm you are correct it was not you that posted that info

here is the post I was refering to

Unfortunately, this thread is now locked also, and has been edited for content. Let's leave the past in the past and move on. I beleive everyone understands why the original thread was locked. I will be replacing it without the advertising, as Greg mentioned.
Please remember that is someone offers to find loads for someone else, that person is acting in a broker capacity. As such, that person must be licensed and insured. Offers to sell trucks should also be kept to the classifieds.

Thank you for your understanding, now back to your regularly scheduled program!


Dreamer
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so my intent in my post was to make sure everyone knows how to look up companies when they get these offers.I get msgs all the time from people who have started or are starting in the biz and guide them the best I know how.

like t-hawk and dave pointed out they also find loads for others once in awhile and they do not need to be a carrier or broker to do this as long as the loads are booked under the company name that is hauling the load.

I read your reply to the post about gps and to me it sounded as if your was some big company that didnt want to give info to a small fry so I wanted to point out that you only run two trucks and my bet is you was most likely to be a one truck operation when you joined gps.

Im trying to wake owner/ops up to the fact if they have a computer,internet access and a truck there is no need to lease on just do it all yourself and worry about yourself.with the cost of fuel nowadays people need to be in control of there own operation and I feel that all the bigboys get into contracts that make the owner/op loose money they call them backhauls but its really cheap freight no matter how you describe it.and alot of contractors get the I need you do me a favor thing from big company dispatch.its time for a major reform when the cost of fuel is more for a gallon than what your getting per mile.when I first got into expedite for every dollar spent I would make 7-10 back now im lucky to make 3 if im running with the traditional expediters.

so please dont take it as a personal attack on you or your company but you did put your company name out there first and as far as id theft a company would have to have a copy of your authority,Insurance certificate and know your tax ID# to book a load
not a print out of a public record.

 

[kwexpress]

KW Express
o/o till i die

LBD thank you the keyword is public and bonnie did put the company name out there first hand anyone who didnt know that must not read very often.

 

[BonnieMac]

KW, you win. I give up. I cringed when I hit send on that other post the other day because it was something I never do. I was so glad nobody responded and it went to the second page quick. I should have known it would come back and bite me in the #####. Thanks for the reminder that someone is always lurking and never let my guard down.

Now that I give up can you leave me alone? You have gotten your wish and still found a way to get my info in here even though it has been removed by management at my request, but hey they can't get one by you now can they. By God if you want everyone to know it they will, regardless.....so you win. Congratulations.

 

[kwexpress]

KW Express
o/o till i die

ok we are all on the same page welcome to trucking 101
you are a great person very helpful on getloaded and look forward to reading more post from you.so please stick around

 

[greg334]

Good!

Now let's move on and make some money.

 

[jaminjim]

I saw the post putting out the company info and wondered why it was there. What was the reason for posting that company's info? If the the was reason was simply to show what info is out there why not show the link and then ref. Fedex or PII MC number.

 

[kwexpress]

KW Express
o/o till i die

I guess because like i said she iis a getloaded poster to and I was doing some research on getloaded and seen a post where someone was asking about load boards

here is one msg she posted about expedited freight

Author: Bonnie (---.atlaga.adelphia.net)
Date: 09-22-04 13:46

Thanks Ronnie....I learned most of it right here myself.

Ben...expedite is a whole different ballgame. The companies that offer expedite freight have pretty stringent requirements for who they will use as a carrier. Most of them use their own trucks but will go to an approved outside carrier if they can't fill the load.

Most of the bigger companies require you to have a minimum of 5 years verifiable experience running expedite freight, references from them, equipment less than 10 years old, and some require satellite tracking equipment on the vehicle.

The Carrier must guarantee pick-up and guarantee delivery so if you are late you lose your pay. Normally you start losing 1/4 of your pay at 30 minutes late...up to losing all of your pay and losing your approved status if you are 2 hours late.

Most require you to carry an additional policy of $1 mil in General Liability along with the other liab and cargo. some even require you to carry $250,000 in cargo.

Expedite ain't for everyone. Its a tough business to get into as an outside carrier, especially if you have less than 12 trucks.


and then a little further down the list a poster was trying to suggest gps

here is her reply to him when he mentioned gps


Author: Bonnie aka Maxine (---.atlaga.adelphia.net)
Date: 06-26-06 13:20

Hush Forrest! Must you give out ALL the secrets! Next thing you know every Tom, ##### and Harry will be undercutting all those rates and we will be out of business. Protect your turf.

 

[kwexpress]

KW Express
o/o till i die

I didnt put personal info out there I put out public info on her company

 

[tec1959]

HEY HOW ABOUT SOMEONE LOCKING THIS FORUM I THINK EVERYONE WILL AGREE IT'S WENT FAR ENOUGH...Sorry everyone for yelling but this is really getting old,Post going back an forth for no good reason except to make someone look bad...

 

[BonnieMac]

Tec,
I agree. This really is getting old. For KW to say this isn't personal at this point is kinda ridiculous isn't it.

The post I wrote that he quoted was in response to someone asking about the expedite business and I tried to explain the best I could what its like. The last thing we, as expedite carriers need is for every other carrier jumping into this field and watering down the rates that we struggle to maintain as it is.

Forrest, who I suspect is KW, made a post inviting everyone to just go on over to GPS and sign up and get loads. My response to him was as nice as I could be when I really wanted wanted to smack him upside the head! Remember we are talking about posts on GetLoaded here. Yes, I am protective of the GPS site as everyone should be. It is where I do business. Do I want every $1.00 mile 53' van coming in ther underbidding me and not having a clue what expedite is all about? HECK NO! Do you?

Not too long after that post Mr. Forrest posted a complete list of the GPS brokers! How professional is that? He is a member of GPS and is giving out all their contacts. I'm sure people like him are the reason GPS is more selective about who they let in their door.

Those of you that have straight trucks don't have to worry as much as I do with a 48' Van. Your competition is ltl carriers other than expedite companies. I have to compete with every other van out there. Sure I want to protect my turf and my contacts. I would be pretty stupid not to....as is Forrest for giving that info out to everyone so they can bring our rates down.

So Forrest, I mean KW, can we drop this now?

 

[davekc]

Folks, lets not get this turned into another locked topic dealing with the same issue. There was a time GPS wasn't known by many. Today, pretty much any freight company is aware of them. Over the last several months on EO we have had numerous people trying to broker loads off there to drivers.
These are individuals set up as a company with no trucks.
Again, no real secret.
You are correct in that it has to many people on it and has become way to saturated for many decent loads. I find that point of contact to be much more successful with regards to rates verses something that is viewed by the masses.







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