Is Afghanistan Obama's Vietnam?

greg334

Veteran Expediter
Yesterday I read Osama Bin Laden's newest blockbuster - "The West and The Dark Tunnel".

After that I read the Washington Post's copy of the McCystal report and was rather disappointed.

Most of my disappointment comes from hearing the same rhetoric as I heard many years ago. Some of it comes from the attitude that we must win the hearts and minds of the people while other comments like "But a failure to send them will be a guarantee of failure." which is really an echo of 1968 in congress.

We are fighting a different kind of war but not. We seem to be rebuilding a country while trying to fight the people, a lot like Vietnam.

Canada, the one honest country has pretty much said they failed, with their polio eradication pretty much on the rocks and their school building program far behind expectations, they have seemed to make it a point to do what they can and leave in 2011.

So with reading the world's reaction to the film, it seems that unless there is a real change in stratigy, not just stratigy of the war but of the administration, we will become again in a mess where we will either decide we have lost and leave or take heavy loses and then leave because of the inexperince of the leader of our troops.

Bin Laden has also said something interesting, Obama will fall because of the middle east and Obama has failed to see the outcome of the war there - his prediction of wasting the US troops as they did the soviets seems to be on target with the plea of the generals to send more troops. Pretty much Bin Laden has got it right when we have Feinstein claiming "I do not believe we can build a democratic state in Afghanistan," and of course our great house leader "I believe it will remain a tribal entity." adding "there is a great deal of support for sending more troops to Afghanistan", echoing Cronkite...

Even Canada sees it. Colin Kenny, chair of Canada's senate committee on national security and defence said "what we hoped to accomplish in Afghanistan has proved to be impossible. We are hurtling towards a Vietnam ending".

That I think may be true, I pray it isn't but it may be.
 

layoutshooter

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
We cannot leave there at this time, I wish we could. If we leave now that country will fall into a mess like we have never seen. We ran out on them when we helped drive the Soviets out which led to the takeover of the Taliban. It will be FAR worse this time. The terrorist training camps will spring up again. The people will face a blood bath like the world has not seen since the Soviets killed 25 million or so. Our problem is we live in a 15 minute soundbite country and this is a 50 year fight. It took that long to fight the cold war. We have 3 choices, pull out and fight them again later on a larger scale. Stay, for the very long haul and finish the job, or just nuke the place. Only ONE of the three choices are even vagely good.
 

layoutshooter

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
Nope, OVM, the ONLY thing that cost us a victory, and a very much better Viet Nam than exsists today, was our Congress. We CHOSE to lose. We most likely will again and the blood will flow in the streets in far greater volume than it is today. You can count on that, just remember where you read this, mark in on your calander.
 
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