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brokcanadian

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Trying to be nice to my new aquisition, 2005 Sprinter and meet the MB specs...transmission fluid at the dealer is 31.41 a quart plus 13% HST...where do i get oil and trans fluid? Nothing off the shelf matches the spec sheets, I can get 228.31 for motor oil but its not on the list...too much crap about viscosity between the numbers...trans fluid goes from 236.1 to 236.9, no 10, 12, 14
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tknight

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I had the same issue with my mb 6 speed manual trans when I had to buy a new one ( note I said new) gear oil was only sold by 5 gallon Pail at 340.00 or 19.00 a pint it was special order anywhere they even ha a listing for it! It only half 2.5 gallons
 

Turtle

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You should probably be looking at the MB BeVo spec list here. It's always current, and lists a lot more approved fluids than the owners manual lists (just make sure you use the correct spec numbers).

I get my transmission fluid (ATF 134) either off eBay, Europarts, or at a Shell Distributor (that Shell link is for distributors in Canada, where I don't actually get mine).

I get my Mobile 1 0W-40 oil at Walmart.

You should be able to find the fluids in Canada without too many problems (once you know where to get it, of course LOL). Hopefully scottm4211 will chime in and give you some pointers.
 

brokcanadian

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Thanks. Its my attempt to get it on the road by Monday that's causing me problems here...it would probably be worth shipping to me and paying duty, still cheaper.

Can't believe parts stores here are so clueless (go to dealer we don't have it and cant get it)

Wow there's a distributor 10 miles from me, thanks turtle!
 
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RoadTime

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I get my Mobile 1 0W-40 oil at Walmart.

So do I. Except for my last stop in Louisville by the ford plant. They had so many different Mobile 1's I never even heard of before. Except for what I needed
 

brokcanadian

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In canada Mobil 1 0w40 is formulated by Imperial Oil (esso) and doesn't list any MB applications on the website...however Mobil 1 0w40 FS European Car Formula meets 229.3 and 229.5 (bevo says must use a fleece filter that doesn't exist in North America)

Never seen FS on any bottle of Mobile 1. Walmart.ca apparently carries European Car Formula, although on Mobil's Canada website it doesn't exist (except in FS)

I'm so glad I cleared all that up o_O
 

FlyingVan

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Do not use a fleece filter in the diesel. Those filters are supposed to be used for gasoline engines.... Use a paper filter from Mann or Hengst. Been using them for 700k+ miles.

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brokcanadian

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Ridiculously long internet search shows only cars approved on the 228.31 spec (bevo), vans may use 228.3, 228.5, 228.51 or 229.3, 229.31, 229.5, 229.51, 229.52. So my guess is they don't consider 228.31 a truck oil for whatever reason. That's all that's available in the common parts stores that I've seen.

Does it even matter...no idea, I just would like to know what OntarioVanMan used to get a million miles...
 
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brokcanadian

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Mobil 1 0w40 indeed meets 229.3 and 229.5 in Canada. It wasn't on the bottle that I remember and it was under "builder approvals" not specs...thanks for steering me in the right direction
 
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fastman_1

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Ridiculously long internet search shows only cars approved on the 228.31 spec (bevo), vans may use 228.3, 228.5, 228.51 or 229.3, 229.31, 229.5, 229.51, 229.52. So my guess is they don't consider 228.31 a truck oil for whatever reason. That's all that's available in the common parts stores that I've seen.

Does it even matter...no idea, I just would like to know what OntarioVanMan used to get a million miles...
OVM used 2 engines to get to that magic 1 million mile mark,
 

OntarioVanMan

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Ridiculously long internet search shows only cars approved on the 228.31 spec (bevo), vans may use 228.3, 228.5, 228.51 or 229.3, 229.31, 229.5, 229.51, 229.52. So my guess is they don't consider 228.31 a truck oil for whatever reason. That's all that's available in the common parts stores that I've seen.

Does it even matter...no idea, I just would like to know what OntarioVanMan used to get a million miles...
696,000 miles....timing chain let go reason "unknown"
321,000 on the new engine and NOT one revisit in any way regarding new engine or install...has run flawlessly....:)

ALWAYS Mobile1 0W40 european blend.....
 
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OntarioVanMan

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BTW..changed my rad as well with the engine it too was original....ALWAYS used what they recommended...have NEVER strayed from the "LIST" same with differential oil....and mine is all original....still...
 
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OntarioVanMan

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Trying to be nice to my new aquisition, 2005 Sprinter and meet the MB specs...transmission fluid at the dealer is 31.41 a quart plus 13% HST...where do i get oil and trans fluid? Nothing off the shelf matches the spec sheets, I can get 228.31 for motor oil but its not on the list...too much crap about viscosity between the numbers...trans fluid goes from 236.1 to 236.9, no 10, 12, 14
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Shell makes a tranny fluid....is where we get ours.....6-7 bucks a quart....amazon.com or find a local shell distributor...
 

brokcanadian

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OVM used 2 engines to get to that magic 1 million mile mark

Darn thought he had a secret. My ford 7.3 went a million, never touched a thing but oil filters...oil changes were between 10,000 and 30,000 MILES on Rotella T5 conventional I got lazy...transmission never touched, I had fluid exchange done 3 times...parked it because the steering column was getting floppy and I found another identical van for 4500.

Thanks to all for posting, I've settled on the Mobil 1, I was used to picking up anything that said 15w40 on the front in my last diesel
 

Turtle

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Ridiculously long internet search shows only cars approved on the 228.31 spec (bevo), vans may use 228.3, 228.5, 228.51 or 229.3, 229.31, 229.5, 229.51, 229.52. So my guess is they don't consider 228.31 a truck oil for whatever reason. That's all that's available in the common parts stores that I've seen.
I hate that you spent a lot of time searching on the Internet. MB Spec Sheet 223.2 (from the BeVo site) shows the OM647 engine and the table of MB spec numbers for the oils. It lists the very numbers you have listed above.

The Sprinter T1N engine requires a MB approved 228.3, 228.5, 229.3, 229.5,oil.
The next level oils of 228.51, 229.31, 229.51 or 229.52 are also recommended and approved for use in T1N engines.

From Mercedes: "Mercedes-Benz 228.31 engine oil is excluded for approval and use in the Sprinter OM612 and OM647 Direct Injection diesel engines, as we have research to show that the oil on these sheets can have a detrimental effect on the components of the engine."

What they mean by "detrimental effect on the components of the engine" is, it causes a sludge problem (among other things not immediately observable). However, it's not THAT big a deal in the US and Canada, or anywhere else that ULSD is found, as the sludge and other issues seem to stem from the higher levels of sulfur.

All of MB's 228.xx oils are considered truck engine oils, but the 228.31 was initially formulated for a specific car engine with a DPF. Basically, 228.31 is MB's upgrade of ACEA E9. Which is more or less CJ4. And it's been reformulated a couple of times since it first came out. Shell Rotella T6 is a 228.31 oil. The T6 is good oil, just not necessarily for an OM 647 engine. It meets the following specs: API CJ-4, CI-4 PLUS, CI-4, CH-4, C4, SM, SL, SH; and an ACEA of E9. But it's MB spec 228.31 oil and is not dual rated (for 228.3 and 228.31) the way many of the 228.31 oils are, and is why MB explicitly recommends against using it. Mobil Delvac and Chevron Delo are both dual rated at 228.3 and 228.31, despite not saying that on the bottle. There are a lot of 228.31 oils that are dual rated that don't indicate it on the bottle, and those are probably what you're seeing the most in the stores.

228.31 oils (even the ones that are dual rated) are not properly read by the ASSYST computer, though. (the ASSYST computer was actually designed and tested using 229.5 Mobile 1 0W-40 oil, BTW). You can certainly get away using 228.31 oil in an OM 647 engine, as long as you don't idle much and you don't rely on the ASSYST for oil change intervals.. You'd just want to change the oil earlier, like every 8,000 to 10,000 miles (if you don't have a used oil analysis done regularly) instead of extending it to 15,000 to 20,000.

My recommendation is to stick to the required or recommended oils listed above (same ones you have found). As long as it's on the list the brand doesn't really matter. I'd try and find out what kind of oil the previous owner used, and if it's on the list I'd stick to that, probably. It's better to stick to one brand and viscosity, all things being equal, than it is to change them frequently, as whenever a new brand or viscosity is used the engine wears juuuuust a tad differently. But that's certainly not a major consideration. Approved oils and regular changes are the primary considerations. But just look at the list of brands and viscosities on the MB spec sheets, and pick the brands you can find locally.
 

brokcanadian

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Turtle, in my opinion you should be writing the service manuals, the backs of the bottles, and the website for Mercedes, that post couldn't have been more clear, thank you.

As for long internet searches, I've been mostly OOS due to family sickness and an unsuitable van since May 2 so I had the time...
 
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