If you want governent HC this is what you risk getting..
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NO government intervention in these or ANY health care issues. This is the shades of things to come here, and soon, unless Obama care is struck down in the courts. It is even going to be worse here.
I'd charge the doctors with manslaughter at the least and perhaps murder. Unless the patient specifically says DNR the doctor is responsible for saving them not playing god and deciding who lives and who dies. That's Obama liberal mindset and that's absolutely wrong.
dieseldiva
Veteran Expediter
This cannot possibly happen here in the good old USA. There are no death panels in obamacare, don't believe me, just ask any lefty, they'll tell ya....
This cannot possibly happen here in the good old USA. There are no death panels in obamacare, don't believe me, just ask any lefty, they'll tell ya....
If you believe there are, can you document it?
Absolutely..with no respect to the mans life they were judge, jury and executioner....the 1 million dollars would not satisfy me...I'd press for the murder/voluntary manslaughter charge..They stood by and watched their patient die while his daughter begged to save him...that is criminal..
dieseldiva
Veteran Expediter
I'll admit, I haven't read the 2000+ page health care bill, it's next on my literary list, right after I finish "War and Peace"... BUT, common sense will dictate that in order to keep the cost down, there will be rationing and when you begin to ration for the sake of cost effectiveness, someone is going to be refused life-saving drugs or techniques.
I think some are "put off" by the use of the term "death panels" and like many other things that are considered non politically correct, there will be a softer term applied but it doesn't change what it is and I would belong to the school of "call it what it is".
If his OPINIONS are any indication of what is to come......
If what is going on in the UK is a hint of what we'll eventually face......
BUT, common sense will dictate that in order to keep the cost down, there will be rationing and when you begin to ration for the sake of cost effectiveness, someone is going to be refused life-saving drugs or techniques. I think some are "put off" by the use of the term "death panels" and like many other things that are considered non politically correct, there will be a softer term applied but it doesn't change what it is and I would belong to the school of "call it what it is".
If his OPINIONS are any indication of what is to come......
If what is going on in the UK is a hint of what we'll eventually face......
and this happened at a VA hospital..
dieseldiva
Veteran Expediter
And for the rest of her life, she will struggle to remember her Dad as he was before that day. Just the thought of the visual that she lives with is frightening.
dieseldiva
Veteran Expediter
Well of course that would be the first place for something like this to happen in this country as well.
unthinkable....
Good thing he is not a Dr. either...you'd hate to be a waste of resources....
“If the patient’s life cannot be saved in a meaningful way and if intervention would deny resources that would benefit other patients . . . then the doctor is justified in clinical judgment to withhold treatment,” says Bernard Dickens, professor emeritus of health law at U of T. “Clinical judgment is not negotiated with patients.”
“If the patient’s life cannot be saved in a meaningful way and if intervention would deny resources that would benefit other patients . . . then the doctor is justified in clinical judgment to withhold treatment,” says Bernard Dickens, professor emeritus of health law at U of T. “Clinical judgment is not negotiated with patients.”
There is already talk about cutting some vets benefits because they are going to cost the government far too much money. I say cut out welfare first. Why cut those who served their country and NOT the bums who do NOTHING?
greg334
Veteran Expediter
Don't take this wrong but Canada is not the US. England is not the US. We won't have what the UK or Canada has for a lot of reasons but we will have parts of it. What this is about is not what would happen because our end of life stuff is not how Canada or the UK handles it but rather the Netherlands and Sweden, where there isn't choices at all when you reach a certain age, where the family can decide on what course of action to take, and where there the power of medical can make decisions without any consultation. This does not happen in Canada or the UK.
dieseldiva
Veteran Expediter
Understood but the larger point in my mind is that we have anything that resembles ANY of them. Reforms could have been made without moving closer to socialist type medicine....or anything else for that matter.
you already have socialist medicine..Medcaid/care...
greg334
Veteran Expediter
Don't we need to go back to what a reform means first?
Many of the proposals that came about since Hillary care came out was more or less nothing but take overs. The word has been lost.
Reform would be say restricting medicare/medicaid to things that are needed not optional (can anyone say Viagra?) or reforming the auditing system to catch abusers. Another reform would be how we actually allow doctor's to be licensed and a lack of coherent information to be shared about them.
The 'good' thing that has come out of Obama care is the unification of medical systems but that was being done already and stalled because the government got involved through Sarbanes and HIPPA.
I honestly do not think we have one person in congress who really has the nerve to come up with a repeal of this mess, and I hope that the courts actually step in and deem it all worthless.
My nerviousness comes from being inside the system for a while (10 years) and knowing what can happen to when things get out of control. The care is one factor but the privacy is another. I have no issues with getting medical information about others by just a name and an address and this is in a tightly controlled system. I am an outsider but you know because we pay some of these people little or next to nothing, and more importantly the amount of information that is off shore, it is not an issue for any one who has access to compile millions of records very quickly and do some serious damage. The worst offender is the US government, they are the ones to fear because of the interdepartmental games played.
Many of the proposals that came about since Hillary care came out was more or less nothing but take overs. The word has been lost.
Reform would be say restricting medicare/medicaid to things that are needed not optional (can anyone say Viagra?) or reforming the auditing system to catch abusers. Another reform would be how we actually allow doctor's to be licensed and a lack of coherent information to be shared about them.
The 'good' thing that has come out of Obama care is the unification of medical systems but that was being done already and stalled because the government got involved through Sarbanes and HIPPA.
I honestly do not think we have one person in congress who really has the nerve to come up with a repeal of this mess, and I hope that the courts actually step in and deem it all worthless.
My nerviousness comes from being inside the system for a while (10 years) and knowing what can happen to when things get out of control. The care is one factor but the privacy is another. I have no issues with getting medical information about others by just a name and an address and this is in a tightly controlled system. I am an outsider but you know because we pay some of these people little or next to nothing, and more importantly the amount of information that is off shore, it is not an issue for any one who has access to compile millions of records very quickly and do some serious damage. The worst offender is the US government, they are the ones to fear because of the interdepartmental games played.
IF Obama gets to appoint one more SC judge you can kiss ANY chance of getting rid of Obama care through the courts. ANY Obama court appointment will NOT believe in our Constitution and will be so far to the left and more than happy to impose socialism on us.