Icebergs in Lake Superior
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As stated, they are proof that there was an abnormally long, cold winter in the region. They won't have any affect on lake levels. The ice is water that was already in the lakes and it's melting will NOT raise lake levels, which are NOT low to begin with.
Not higher lake levels, since they are at near all time highs now as it is, despite what the eco-nuts and the government try to tell you. Less evaporation will postpone the normal lowering cycle of the Lakes, which is not necessarily at good thing since it could retard summer coastal marsh regeneration. This is critical since the Great Lakes coastal marshes are not in good shape. First the majority of them have been drained for various uses, some more important and useful than others, and second, due to the abnormally long period of high water on the Lakes, coupled with the loss of actual traditional lake ecosystem they are not regenerated as they should.
(IF you need REAL proof on how high the Lakes are, come out on Erie with me and I will SHOW you the reality, which is NOT being told in a correct nor honest manner)
Erie doesn't count since most of it is in Ohio.
Erie doesn't count since most of it is in Ohio.
And Ontario AND PA. I can STILL show ANYONE who wants to learn the truth, just how high water levels are.
I don't have to call them. The biologists who work there all ready know the difference between the realities of what is going on with the Great Lakes and what is being put out by the press and mainly the federal government. So do those who have lived there for their entire lives.
You see, the problem is that there are still far too many out there that are still alive, that know better. How do I say that? I will introduce you to a man, in his 80's, and his kids, a bit younger than I, who's house that they lived in will into the mid-20th century, is STILL under water, or at least what is left of it's foundation is still there. I used to hunt in the remains of that foundation, it made a good duck blind. Many less educated on the Lakes and the straight just think that foundation is rocks that they hit now that the Lakes have receded from their almost, but not quite, historical highs of the late 1960's through the 1970's. Lake Erie's traditional, high water shoreline, prior to man draining the marshes and wet prairies, was situated near Petersburg, MI, if you know where that is.
During the War of 1812, there was a wooden road built across Brest Bay, near Monroe. At this cycles LOWEST level , around 2000. 2002, give or take, ONLY the ends of that road were exposed to air, the remainder stayed under water the entire low lake cycle, proving again that the Lakes have often been much lower than they are today.
I could go on about how hard banks, dams, etc are impacting lake levels and retarding marsh regeneration, but we can go into that when and if I get you a guided tour of the Pointe Mouillee project by the head biologist there, he can explain it far better than I.
Oh, you really should call them.
The problem is, NOAA and it's Center for Oceanographic Products and Services, and the Canadian Department of Fisheries and Oceans' Canadian Hydrographic Service, and the Army Corps of Engineers, and Environment Canada have all been measuring water levels on the Great Lakes since 1918 (before that actually, but it wasn't until 1918 that they had the full complement of gauges). These stations record a 3 minute average water level every 6 minutes, 24 hours a day 7 days a week. The data is archived in hourly, daily, and monthly averages, as well as annually.
The graphs and charts say you and the old man are wrong.
And I suppose that the foundation that I hunted in and the road never existed either? Corps of Engineers? Now THERE is a REAL organization, known for destroying river after river in this country, even known for putting channel markers in the Straights of Detroit that led to sand bars. Environment Canada? The bunch that allows unmarked oil well that rise within 3 feet of the surface of Lake Eire?
I believe too that you will find that some of the worst evaporation on the Lakes takes place in the winter, you know, lake effect snow. The ice cover protected the Lakes from a lot of that loss this year. It also protected the spawning reefs from the storms that often tear them up in winter.
The old man LIVED in that house, that is a FACT, there are pictures to PROVE it. The government can spout all the crap they want, that will NEVER change the facts. There was also a dance hall, where Lake Erie now sits. The spot where that hall was is about 200 yards off shore now.
The problem with government is that they are not able to wait till enough had got too old and died before coming out with their crap. They depend on the thought that NO one will question their "facts".
I defy ANYONE, government official or private citizen to dispute the fact of that road, that house and where the Lake should actually be right now, because they can't. The facts are irrefutable.
The Lakes are NOT low, not even for recent history, if anything they are a bit above the norm for this point in their cycle.
MOST of the damage done to Lake Erie was done prior to 1918. By that time most of the "Great Black Swamp" had already been drained and the majority of the 99% loss of marshes and wet prairie that once was the Lake, were gone. They will never be allowed to return, at least not as long as Man is here. Maybe, after Man is gone they will return, if the Lakes still exist.
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I AM looking at the historical records AND actual levels that I deal with every time I am on the Lakes. I have seen the level changes, seen houses, roads, barrier islands, and marshes washed out by high water. I have walked and stood on the traditional high water mark for Lake Erie, which is near Petersburg, MI, and where the Lake would not yet be at today if it were allowed to return to where it belongs. It is STILL too low for that. Right now it would be somewhere around a bit west of US24, Telegraph Road, in Monroe, which is more like it's high normal level.
I have spent countless hours working to restore those marshes and just in the last ten to 12 years we have seen Lake levels get low enough to allow the return of SOME cattail marsh, which were wiped out during the high water cycle in the late '60's and '70's. The "banana dike", as it is called was built to mimic that barrier island that was once there. I hunted that island up until 1974 when it became unhuntable.
The pictures of that area, not on computers, still remain. I KNOW where they are kept and who has them. Dates when taken even hand written on the back.
It is not what I THINK, it is just what it really is, and IF you want to LEARN the truth, come out with me someday, I will show it all to you. (catch some fish at the same time!
like I NEED an excuse to get out on my Lake)
I don't have to call them. I will see, and talk with them, again, at the Michigan Ducks Unlimited State Convention in July, want to join us and talk with them yourself? I believe there are still rooms available. Then I could take you over to Pointe Mouilee and set you up to talk with the head biologist there to see some pictures, and get some tours. AFTER that, I could then take you out, on a REAL lake, to SHOW you real, hard, actual evidence of what I speak. That is, IF you want to learn the reality of what is really taking place out on the Lakes, OR, you can believe the federal government. The choice is yours.
I can't believe that you, of all people, actually TRUST NOAA! They can't even get wind speeds and directions right, real time, as they are taking place, let alone determine what the Lakes have, or have not done, over ten thousand years or so.
I was out on Erie, on June 1. I checked NOAA radio about 15 minutes prior to headed out to the boat launch. Their current weather condition report for the inshore waters of the Lower Detroit River and Lake Erie, from Grosse Isle to Maumee Bay, stated light south to south east winds between 5-10 knots.
I'll tell you what I found, and these deviations from reality are the norm out there, was 10-20 knot east winds, gusting to 25-30. Instead of 1-2' waves they were running more like 2-4, and as per normal for the Lake, coming out of two or three different directions at the same time. NOAA is a joke on the Lakes.
By the way, there is a good bit of Lake evaporation taking place here, right now, as we speak. We are experiencing Lake effect rain squalls here in Western NY. Pretty good one right now too!
Yeah, because every time it rains or snows in western New York it's because of lake effect, and not because of the storm front that rolled through the Midwest yesterday on its way to the northeast. It's raining where I am now, which is I'm sure due to the lake effect rain from Walled Lake.
There was a very strong wind, I believe but am not sure, coming off of Lake Erie. Which, in conjunction with that storm front would, at the very least, enhance those showers.
Be VERY careful around Walled Lake, assuming you are speaking of Walled Lake in MI. That is a VERY dangerous place, prone to tornadoes and there is a monster that resides in that lake. His name is Wally, AKA. Wally of Walled Lake. He is the reason that the amusement park closed down many years ago, he ate it.
I once spent an entire day, as a kid, at that amusement park. The Marines did a "Toys for Tots" thing, you know, bring a new toy, spend the day at the park. So, our entire family went. The place was packed, and we sat at the last remaining picnic table, a very long table, about 16-20' long. Another man, and his entire family came by and asked my Dad if they could join us, it was Gordie Howe and his family. I about crapped a brick when I saw who it was. We got to spend the entire day with the Howe family, what a dream day that was for a young, pond hockey player from the Detroit area. That could never happen these days. For one thing, people today are just far too rude and he would have been mobbed. It was also before Wally entered the Lake and ate the amusement park.
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