I think Leo has lost it?

[OntarioVanMan]

I really think he is on the same high as the Chef....

There are about 10 of you ultra conserves..after that you are playing to an empty room...because frankly.. I don't give a rats azz what you post.. actually you are pushing me to the other side because if you guys are what it means to be conservative I don't want any part of it....you are darn crazy!

Scratch that thought..better yet..I'll save my 675 bucks and just not vote because BOTH sides are whack jobs...

 

[chefdennis]

just as long as you realize that both parties are wack jobs, you are ok!! As i have said for the last yr, i voted 3rd party and i am not a republican....i am a registered independent that leans libertarian with a push to conservative...all i want is a constitutionalist...not a liberal dem or a right wing extreme republican......As far as you bein pushed, well if you don't know your own convictions then you could be pushed or lead in one direction or another...but i think that is B/S. you are a man of conviction and no matter what anyone else does, you will vote those convictions....i don't see you letting anyone steer you or push you anywhere....

Was for Leo, the frustration is hitting him, and sooner or later it will hit more and more people....i can say with full confidence that as more and more people see barry for what he is each day, he is a one term pres...the hope is that he and the dem controlled congress and senate doesn't destroy this country or take it any further then it can recover from....

 

[OntarioVanMan]

Chef..you are right..I have my basic beliefs...and no one can push me from those....Guess I am more independent..

The stimulus package was all wrong..you don't build an economy on temporary jobs..We have to rebuild our manufacturing base...those trillions of dollars could have financed a lot of corporate tax breaks and incentives to come home... to have permanent jobs....

These construction jobs will be over in a couple years and we will be no further ahead....why can we see this and not the hill??

Just that there is a few of us have never seen Leo go over the hill like this..almoost irrational..is it frustration and he is venting?

 

[LDB]

OVM, I haven't lost anything at all. I'm just sick of the ridiculous reverential treatment the messiah complex brings out in so many people and the ridiculous way the media prostitutes for the guy and the other primary lap dogs. I complained many times about the lack of border security and sovereignty over the last many years as well as many other things. I intend to point out what's wrong with this new crowd too. They just have lots more to point out. It's ok though. The white feather will stay safely locked up.

 

[chefdennis]

You are right as too the Stimulus...and now there is talk of another one along the same lines...just throwing worthless money after worthless money...

As for Leo, yea he is frustrated, just as more and more people are becoming....now be, i was dead set against him and his ideals from the start, Leo was willing to give him a chance and he wore that chance out and Leo is done and feels the need to point out why....i have done it from the start....i back off from time to time, but it will continue for the remaining time barry is in office....you all are lucky you don't frequent the liberty boards i do.....what i post here is small potatoes compared to what you would get on them.... lol!!!

 

[cheri1122]

.you all are lucky you don't frequent the liberty boards i do.....what i post here is small potatoes compared to what you would get on them.... lol!!![/QUOTE]

Luck has nothing to do with it. The Soapbox was conceived as a forum for debate of current events, an exchange of opinions, hopefully a way to find common ground amongst ourselves.
I think I understand OVM's frustration, and share it - since the last Presidential campaign, there's been a definite shift in dynamics: from discussing issues to trashing people and parties and positions. There's been way too much name calling and way too little reasoned give and take for many of us to feel like joining in anymore. Only seldom do we get a real discussion going between differing viewpoints, which is sad, IMO. Props to Doug and TallCal for at least trying, and to OVM for being the kind of American we could use more of: interested in, and trying to participate in, current affairs.
But as he said: you're mostly talking to an empty room here, and the echoes are all you're gonna hear.

 

[LDB]

If messianic ebullience is real discussion then I guess I see where you find real discussion being brought in. I partially agree there is more negativity now but that is a direct function of going from bad to worse. There's far more to be negative about now. Any lack of 'discussion' isn't one sided either. Numerous topics are brought in from various sources and if there is discussion about them it's W did this or W did that or W didn't do this and nothing about the original subject matter. I realize it's hard to refute the irrefutable and most of the facts brought in are just that. If McCain had won I would still be dissatisfied on many counts and would say so. The only thing I've lost is my patience, what little I had of it.

 

[OntarioVanMan]

My point is....most of what is posted is either right or left wing garbage...there is nothing to discuss....just trying to separate fact from fiction would be a mammoth undertaking. What is posted is mostly at this point all innuendo and speculation from which ever side you are on.... There are reports...gossip and more gossip....the phrase " sources close to the President say" or "sources are speaking in anominity" I swear you guys are on Foxs payroll...as Doug is on CNN's and NBC's.

Some real hard conclusive facts would be a nice change....

 

[LDB]

Most of what I post when I post links or news stories comes from the Washington Times. Certainly a credible source and one open for discussion. The only time I am "right wing" is when someone has strayed too far to the left.

 

[Turtle]

My point is....most of what is posted is either right or left wing garbage...there is nothing to discuss....

Exactly. Most of the "discussion" here lately isn't discussion at all, but emotional froth. It reminds me of the Internet movie reviews that consist primarily of things like, "The movie sux" or "It was awesome! It rulz!" and there is little substance. People have a deep seeded need to be part of the group and to be validated, and thus will often go to great lengths to try and convince others to think the same way they do. If you can turn others to your way of thinking, then you are validated. The easiest way, albeit rarely the most effective, is with emotional froth. The cut-n-paste "here - read this!" postings in the Soapbox are mainly emotional froth, where when comments are made by the ones doing the cutting and pasting usually ending up being little more than Internet movie review.

 

[OntarioVanMan]

well if this is a sample of them "liberty boards" then better give me death....cuz this country is lost if that is the intelligence level.

Better get used to the fact the rest of the world is getting more advanced and finding that they don't need the U.S to survive like they did decades ago...if we don't come up to the new world standards they will and are cutting out the middleman..us.

I still don't get the fact that we are right and 30/40 other countries are wrong...Ya just might have to get over ourselves...

 

[chefdennis]

See for me i know there is only a certain segment that are on the same side of the coin as me, if anyone else other then those read what i "lick and stick" up here , thats fine, but certainly don't need their validation...anymore most everyone see's what barry is up to and are either ok with it, mildly putoff or out and out pizzed...me I post to inform and show what is going on and then shake my head about it....but i really don't care of you read any of it...I read stuff everyday that i think is totally over the top, but i still read it to gather how other people look at the situation, i mean I have nothing in common as to how they think or post for the most part with the people at the "daily kos', but i read it....i go the democratic underground , i read whats there, shake my head most often and leave...i am not trying to "fit in" or be "validated", i know who iam and have no reason to expect anyone other then those that know me one on one to except me or reject me or my thoughts...especially on a website where i will never meet most of the people and if i do then I'll decide if i want to stay around them as they will make that same decision on there part, and i can tell you just as there are people here that if we met face to face, they would turn and leave as i would... I enjoy meeting people as much as the next person, but meeting anyone from a website i frequent isn't the highest priority on my list of things to do..those i have met from on here, both those that share my political views and those that don't have been fun and enjoyable, lol, i don't think other then in a quick passing politics have even been discussed....

So if those that have an issue with the post that appear feel the need for discussion, by all means put your comments on them, it only seems natural that one would do that...if you have an opinion...then i am sure Leo and anyone else including myself will follow....if you don't want to post, thats fine, don't , but if you aren't adding to a thread, then start one and see what you garner as to responses....i belong to what i would call 2 other "new sharing boards" the way it works is the OP'er passte a story and other follow with their thoughts or opinions, then the OP will come back.....seems logical...but i guess not here.......oh well

Post on Leo, i'll be reading and posting on your threads when i have something to say, no matter how benign my response my be........

Oh PS: as for calling anyone names, please show me where i called anyone in this forum any name or inflicted a personal attack, and calling barry , barry or anything else doesn't count, he is fair game as he is a public figure.......

 

[OntarioVanMan]

Chef..thats all fine and rosey...but most of this stuff hasn't even happened...it is usually 3rd person stories of "overheard" stuff...maybe some senator said this or that or a proposal here and a thought there...actually Barry has done little other then talk and "put a team together" You are making out like this is absolute fact and it is going to happen....

Keep in mind..Barry did say he was changing the way America does business....the old ways were not working...America is not an island and can not stand alone anymore.

The "People" voted him in on this platform..he has the "Peoples" mandate...

IF and that is a BIG if...his economy programs work( I can't see it) People are fickle....He will be the greatest thing since Buttered bread...

BTW...the soapbox wasn't created to be a public message board....

 

[chefdennis]

OVM wrote:

BTW...the soapbox wasn't created to be a public message board....

Well then all the powers that be have to do is ban all articles from any toher scource...it really is that simple....until then, I haven't been notified of any rules being broken and i am sure LEO hasn't either.....

As for barrys mandate, he got 52% of the vote, that is hardly a mandate....yes he won, but he by no means as a mandate....

 

[OntarioVanMan]

OVM wrote:



Well then all the powers that be have to do is ban all articles from any toher scource...it really is that simple....until then, I haven't been notified of any rules being broken and i am sure LEO hasn't either.....

As for barrys mandate, he got 52% of the vote, that is hardly a mandate....yes he won, but he by no means as a mandate....

Wasn't it you or Leo said that 51% of the people tell 49% of the people what to do?

It is democracy at work...sorry republic

 

[OntarioVanMan]

Well then all the powers that be have to do is ban all articles from any toher scource...it really is that simple....until then, I haven't been notified of any rules being broken and i am sure LEO hasn't either.....

And you probably won't....it is all about the clicks...

People who don't participate make comments about the goings on in the soapbox in the general forum....that means they are reading somewhat and "clicking" Clicking means money on the internet...demanding higher ad rates because of click traffic.
You are being pandered to somewhat...or outright just used for financial gain. Feel better?

 

[chefdennis]

lol, believe me understand how the "count" works! I can only venture to think how much closer to that 200,000 post mark my threads have gotten the board....lol good bad or indifferent...or would that be ugly!!

As to bein used.... lol certainly isn't the 1st time, and i know it won't be the last!!

ps: and i do understand the difference between "clicks" and "post" also.....

 

[OntarioVanMan]

lol, believe me understand how the "count" works! I can only venture to think how much closer to that 200,000 post mark my threads have gotten the board....lol good bad or indifferent...or would that be ugly!!

As to bein used.... lol certainly isn't the 1st time, and i know it won't be the last!!

ps: and i do understand the difference between "clicks" and "post" also.....

now we are clicking together...*LOL*

 

[LDB]

Wasn't it you or Leo said that 51% of the people tell 49% of the people what to do?

I don't recall saying that but it's possible. I would have eaten and slept since then. I have to agree that while Obama won he doesn't have a "mandate" in that margin of victory. If you look at prior election results there are a few that could be called mandates with 1972 and 1984 being obvious examples where the challenger only won a single state. Obama's victory isn't remotely an example of a mandate. It is an example of racism at it's ultimate combined with illegal voting. If Obama were white OR if Acorn had been locked out of the election process Obama would have lost. The majority do not want his thoughts or ideas or policies. I don't believe the majority even want him anymore. They, at the time, just wanted their racist opportunity and/or to vote for the presstitute created media star.

 

[OntarioVanMan]

I wonder just how influential groups like Acorn really were...but then again..with the vote so close...any percentage could have swung the tide the other way...Good points Leo...