Hypocrisy.

[spongebox1]

Due to recent issues with me I received a sort of strict adherence to a code of conduct of sorts for EO, I will quote exactly what I was told, I'm not tossing out names but rather I'm telling because it feels like a censorship or a socialist way of thinking IMHO of course!

" if you have a personal issue or dispute with a carrier, dealer, manufacturer, fleet owner, fleet driver, or any other entity unless EO is directly involved, then EO should not be used as your soapbox to air your side of the issue, take it up with them directly "

This time I could provide evidence on this matter but I don't feel I need to, I recall this forum being a soap box of sorry because many users tell there experiences in the way I was just told I could not!

In an effort to help a friend I did get carried away about a certain carrier and I did apologize for those actions, I do not in any way shape or form intend to censor myself on anything anywhere anytime, if I'm not allowed to exercise my God given right to give my opinion than delete my account or block me or do as you see fit because last time I checked this is not a socialist, communist or censored country in which we live!

 

[Dynamite 1]

But, the site does have rules you agreed to abide by when you registered and became a member. The site does have responsibility issues to think of as well as liability issues. Yes you were trying to help a friend but what you posted was here say. As it was being told to you and you were not directly being told. Therefor creating a liability issue. Nobody is censoring you. It's just the rules. What you posted was fine but needed to be worded differently as to squash the liability issue.

Most anything can be posted as long as you choose your wording in the correct fashion.
Don't be offended and continue with your posting.

 

[OntarioVanMan]

The fact you made this post and not banned... Contradicts most of what was stated.

 

[spongebox1]

The fact you made this post and not banned... Contradicts most of what was stated.

I made this post because I was told to not post my issues with anyone or anything, I expect this thread to be deleted or locked either way I received a message that I quoted and if anyone needs to read said message let me know ill forward it to you ok?

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[spongebox1]

But, the site does have rules you agreed to abide by when you registered and became a member. The site does have responsibility issues to think of as well as liability issues. Yes you were trying to help a friend but what you posted was here say. As it was being told to you and you were not directly being told. Therefor creating a liability issue. Nobody is censoring you. It's just the rules. What you posted was fine but needed to be worded differently as to squash the liability issue.

Most anything can be posted as long as you choose your wording in the correct fashion.
Don't be offended and continue with your posting.

Like I admitted my wording was not cups n correctly but to be told not to post my issues or my side of things on here is a tad much don't you think?

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[spongebox1]

Sorry bout the typos

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[xiggi]

Like I admitted my wording was not cups n correctly but to be told not to post my issues or my side of things on here is a tad much don't you think?

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I thought you are posting someone else's issues, I'm so cunfused lol

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[tenntrucker]

Dude, let go its not worth getting banned.

sent from my Galaxy Tab2

 

[Dynamite 1]

Like I admitted my wording was not cups n correctly but to be told not to post my issues or my side of things on here is a tad much don't you think?

Sent from my VS910 4G using EO Forums mobile app

no, not really. As I stated, what you posted was second hand, here say. Stuff like that is ok if worded correctly. You really are getting to offended over a fairly normal procedure. Quit trying so hard to be offended and let or go and continue to be a useful poster on the site. It's no biggie !!

 

[Turtle]

Due to recent issues with me I received a sort of strict adherence to a code of conduct of sorts for EO, I will quote exactly what I was told, I'm not tossing out names but rather I'm telling because it feels like a censorship or a socialist way of thinking IMHO of course!

" if you have a personal issue or dispute with a carrier, dealer, manufacturer, fleet owner, fleet driver, or any other entity unless EO is directly involved, then EO should not be used as your soapbox to air your side of the issue, take it up with them directly "

This time I could provide evidence on this matter but I don't feel I need to, I recall this forum being a soap box of sorry because many users tell there experiences in the way I was just told I could not!

If you're going to quote me from a PM in violation of the Code of Conduct, the least you could do is quote me accurately, completely, and in context:

"So, you want to punish him, get revenge, and use EO to do it? Because, unless those other things that went on with him and his drivers, and what he did to your friends and two other female drivers happened on EO, then EO ain't the place for it.

If you have a personal issue or dispute with a carrier, dealer, manufacturer, fleet owner, fleet driver or any other entity, unless EO is directly involved, then EO shouldn't be used as your soapbox to air your side of the issue. Take it up with them directly."

In an effort to help a friend I did get carried away about a certain carrier and I did apologize for those actions, I do not in any way shape or form intend to censor myself on anything anywhere anytime, if I'm not allowed to exercise my God given right to give my opinion than delete my account or block me or do as you see fit because last time I checked this is not a socialist, communist or censored country in which we live!

I've got good news and bad news. The bad news is, EO is not a country, so you're kinda screwed there. But, the good news is, there is another expediting Web site where you can post unsubstantiated accusations to your heart's content, and people there will believe you. You should seek that site out.

 

[mjmsprt40]

I've been on forums now for a lot longer than I care to admit at times, even serving as a moderator on one system for awhile (it's no longer active). So, how about I reach into the grab-bag of experience and see what I pull up, shall we???

OK, how about this one. Your First Amendment right to speak. It's not an absolute, you do have to obey certain rules. First, unless you're the owner of the forum you are limited by the owner's rules. That's only right, if legal issues come up it's the owner that has to answer for what he allows on his forum. Court cases can get costly, even when you KNOW you're right--- and having to defend against slander and libel cases isn't something that forum owners look forward to. I've known at least one owner who clamped down pretty hard on what could be said for that reason, and another who posted that she actually relished a good fight-- as long as she knew the truth was on her side.

Opinion is usually allowed as long as it is clearly opinion. Everybody has the right to be wrong now and then.

Fact needs to be documented somewhere. If/when one of these "XYZ Company is a scam" threads goes to court, documented facts can be a big help. The truth is you best/only defense against libel and slander charges, so you need to be able to back up what you said. That's one really good reason why hearsay evidence isn't allowed in court as a general rule*. "My friend told me that XYZ Comany really (bless and do not curse, bless and do not curse) to drive for" won't stand up if it comes to a court case. Where's your documentation? How did whatever XYZ did affect you? Can you prove it? If the forum owner has to answer for what you said on his forum, how will you be able to help him?


*Special note: Hearsay evidence GENERALLY isn't allowed in court. There HAVE been a couple of criminal cases here in Illinois where it has been on the table-- notably in the Drew Peterson case-- so this isn't an absolute. But, for any practical purpose it's best not to assume that hearsay should be posted, since there's no way you can defend it in court if it should come to that.

 

[Olko]

Howdy

Been around Forums for awhile, going back to the Joe Roman Forum and the early days of EO when my wife was one of the first moderators. They can be great when all is going well, or can cause some bad feelings when someone feels the forum (Mean Ole Moderators) aren't backing them about something.

I have no clue what the issue is here, but I'm sure Lawrence and the gang have tried to put in the best possible terms of use, with the hopes of keeping everyone happy, but also keep the members and EO out of any possible Legal hassles.

I only pop in here now and then, but as I remember it, it was a lot of sniveling, gossiping, worthless drivel and complaining about each other, and the carriers, that made Joe just give up on what was the only Expediters forum out there besides a small site called Expediters Online which was just opening it's virtual web doors.

Lawrence saw what had happened to Joe and his site. His idea was to have EO be run like a business (Joe was just an expediter with a hobby site) and new he would have to run a tight outfit, especially in the beginning because most folks came over to EO from Joe's forum and wanted to start right where they had left off.

Well I won't guarantee that my history lesson is 100% accurate, but I believe it is pretty close.

Whenever large (even small) groups of people get together in person, School, Church, or Internet Forums there will be disagreements about different topics, and how to interpret any rules regarding these topics
.
In School you would have Teachers, Principals, etc.

In the Church obviously the Bible and Preacher, etc.

The Internet Forum falls on the moderators and their enforcement of a well thought out and reasonable set of TOS which every member must agree to abide by. Having said that, it is up to the forum owner/operator to be sure he has moderators that first reflect how he wants to see the site being run, and enforcing the rules when need be in a fair and consistent manner, without favoritism.

Hope this will be taken as my opinion about how a Forum works in a Perfect World

Kevin

 

[Ragman]

I only pop in here now and then, but as I remember it, it was a lot of sniveling, gossiping, worthless drivel and complaining about each other, and the carriers,

In other words, Nothing has changed.