Hunting laws, regulations, and rights

AMonger

Veteran Expediter
I don't know if this particular board is the right place for this thread. Feel free to move it.

I was passing through North Dakota, went into a truckstop for some coffee, and noticed immediately that except for the employees, I might well have been the only person there not wearing blaze orange. The roads are full of hunting vehicles, many with bucks in the bed or strapped somewhere. Listening to local radio, the talk is all about hunting. They turned to a discussion of hunting laws and regulations.

One such regulation says that if you, a duly licensed hunter, hunting in a place you may lawfully hunt, shoot a buck and it runs off onto private land, the owner of the land may not prevent you from going on his land to retrieve it. If he denies you, you're supposed to call a game warden. That surprised me.

Another was the issue of transporting someone else's kill, say if you have a truck and the guy who shot it wants you to help transport it. Apparently there are rules for that, too.

I realize this isn't a libertarian country, but it is supposed to be a free country, and many of the laws I heard of are very much anti-freedom.

The phrase "caught red-handed" has it's roots back in the jolly-ol', a reference to "caught with the blood of the king's deer on his hands," a reference to poaching. All wildlife was said to belong to the king. Looking at laws like the above, it looks like that's the principle at work here in America today--that all the deer belong to the State, and we take them at the State's pleasure. That doesn't sound like America, land of the free, to me.

I realize that if there were no laws, some people would take all the deer they could get, all year-around, and soon there'd be no deer (not that that would bother me, seeing as non-existent deer can't run out in front of my van at night, scaring the crap out of me or damaging my van), so if we're going to have deer around, some system has to exist. I'm just not sure that it's this way. In fact, I'm sure the way it's regulated now is horribly wrong. I just don't know what the right way would look like.

Any comments on how hunting laws should be?
 

layoutshooter

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
Laws vary from state to state. Most fish and game laws are written to insure that the resource remains in good shape with proper numbers AND that private property rights are respected. That is NOT an easy mix to attain.
 

Slo-Ride

Veteran Expediter
I realize that if there were no laws, some people would take all the deer they could get, all year-around, and soon there'd be no deer (not that that would bother me, seeing as non-existent deer can't run out in front of my van at night, scaring the crap out of me or damaging my van), so if we're going to have deer around, some system has to exist. I'm just not sure that it's this way. In fact, I'm sure the way it's regulated now is horribly wrong. I just don't know what the right way would look like.

Any comments on how hunting laws should be?

The way Mich has the deer season set up in my mind isn't about regulating the deer population for the herds benefit as much as it is about generating revenue and giving into the insurance lobbyist.
With the amount of Doe permits and the very liberal seasons on the Doe hunts,, I feel its mostly about the state taking in more money.
When I started hunting there was only opening day for bow and opening day for gun seasons with 1 chance for a Doe permit. Now we have the Early doe hunt,,the youth season,,the opener or bow,,the opener for gun and I'm pretty sure we will have a late season for Doe again. And this doesn't take in account the permits farmers are allowed for crop damage,,Im not sure when that starts but am pretty sure its well ahead of any of our many seasons..
I say go back in time, (maybe keep the youth hunt???)

On waterfowl,,when on a road trip I think we should be able to fully process the birds vs leaving 1 dirty wing attached:D
 
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