how shopping for van stuff ends in detainment>?

mxzane933

Seasoned Expediter
Freedom?

Rights?

9/11?

Seriously?

The problem is that the OP had no common sense when he acted as if he was going to steal something and has to deal with the retailer who decides to make a case out of it. The cops follow the lead of the retailer, not their own. The retailer decides if it is not a big deal but I'm surprised that the OP went back there to shop - kind of another ...

Still can't figure out what a MX license has to do with anything.

And no its not the retailers decision its the police. Yea the little lp called but the cops it was there decision to rite the summons. The manager i taljed to and he agreed it was a misunderstanding. :)

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mxzane933

Seasoned Expediter
I believe this story. I have 23 & 19 year old stepsons. mxzane is 22 years old and probably has a bit of money in his pocket. A machete for 5 bucks would be appealing.

Man you have no idea how appealing lol :)

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mxzane933

Seasoned Expediter
well, he was looking at camping beds for the van, and other camping stuff that might come in handy, and then saw and got distracted by the machete. I don't think he was considering the machete for the van, per say, just that it was cheap and thought for five bucks, why not? they way he worded it, especially playing fast and loose with grammar and punctuation, it's a little confusing, I agree.

Yes that was how it went. And yes sorry im not good with the touch screen at all.

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mxzane933

Seasoned Expediter
I'm still wondering how one could be accused of theft without any attempt to conceal the item [he said it was clearly visible above the waistband], and no attempt to exit without paying for it. Common sense says those two conditions should apply before any accusation is made, so the whole thing is just wrong, IMO.
Def time to get lawyered up, and shop elsewhere.

Thanks it was wrong. Dont understand why somepeople are elaborating in the fact i am a bad decision maker for a living lol

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purgoose10

Veteran Expediter
I think all you had to do was tell the cop if they have a case, take me to jail and charge me, but if you aren't sure you best think hard about it. I don't think I would have taken any ticket. The ticket is on your record, guilty or not, being charged is not for public viewing. What will your company say when they check your record??
Just curious. I would have never taken a ticket.
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
Common sense?

Yep common sense.

I don't know you but the first thing that strikes me as a bit of a problem is coming here and acting as if it wasn't a big deal to do that. To many, there is more to the issue than you are presenting to us.

I did not act as if i was goin to steal anything because to any one who saw me really wouldnt of thought i was goin to take it considering it was visible and i was shopping with
It clearly visible its not like i stuck it in my pants and started making my way to the door.

Don't matter what you say, it is what others see. I don't find an excuse that you were going to buy something or not. We, as the cops as the store manager can't read minds and as mentioned for some reason dragging 'rights' into the picture removes the fact that in most cases there is a theft of property although there are exceptions. In your case, it may be an exception but may not be.

And the loss prevention sorry excuse for a job kid.m used discrimination and racial profiling when he said i looked like the runner type so he didnt go with the regular actions of waiting for one to cross the point of purchase and he got tired of me continuing to SHOP.

Well sorry to break the news to you, he did his job.

The problems he may have caused may be an issue for the store management to deal with, but it depends on the store policy and the laws.

If you are actually discriminated against, then file a grievance with the state minority commission - every state has one form or another for that stuff but hate to break this news to you, but discrimination needs to have more than a shoplifting charge leveled against you, I mean you need more that "he got tired of me shopping" to trigger an actual concern and have people take it seriously.

The profiling is another thing, you black, hispanic or arab - then maybe but I got to tell you that believe it or not they can profile people in stores - there may be a law against it or some court case, while it sounds good there is the problem is in trying to enforce by making a company protecting their property is really not going to go far.

If there was a mistake where the law says "have to cross the exit" then your lawyer will tell you not to worry about it but here is the thing, I can't believe that a lawyer wouldn't tell you NOT to post about it on the Internet so I assume that 1) you have no lawyer that is worth the time of day 2) that you have more of a problem of getting caught than you do with what you allegedly done.

So he went ahead to be the goon he was and called the cops and the mx. License ive already explained this.

Well I would have done that too, it is SOP.

The license means nothing to me, and really doesn't mean much about the issue. If you are inclined to be targeted go to the ACLU, join and complain.

Being from a small town and acheving.

Achieving what?

That level the honorable police here have somesort of getoff with messing with a kid who has done something with his life instead of doing there job and mess with the people who are up to nogood

I don't get this, I won't assume what you are talking about.
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
And no its not the retailers decision its the police. Yea the little lp called but the cops it was there decision to rite the summons. The manager i taljed to and he agreed it was a misunderstanding. :)

Then have the manager go to court with you and have the charges dismissed.

Don't take this wrong but I've heard all of this before and for some reason the person telling me the story turned out to actually commit the crime.

I wish you luck and next time get a cart.
 

mxzane933

Seasoned Expediter
I uploaded a pic on here the next day with my cart full. Lol but yes i never would consider taking something that wasnt mine i was brought up very strictly. And the reason people think there is more to the story. Is because they are trying to.2 im a newb on here and havent earned my proper credentials on here with some people 3 some people like to quickly judge and throw one under the bus for a reason that i will never understand not in this life time. But i did learn if you have a cart there is no situation.
:)
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mxzane933

Seasoned Expediter
I think all you had to do was tell the cop if they have a case, take me to jail and charge me, but if you aren't sure you best think hard about it. I don't think I would have taken any ticket. The ticket is on your record, guilty or not, being charged is not for public viewing. What will your company say when they check your record??
Just curious. I would have never taken a ticket.

It was a summons just my promise to appear in court. But im not worried what so ever because if they actually go to tge extent in court to bring the camera footage in then the lp will look like a fool so will the cops to the judge :)

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AMonger

Veteran Expediter
It was a summons just my promise to appear in court. But im not worried what so ever because if they actually go to tge extent in court to bring the camera footage in then the lp will look like a fool so will the cops to the judge :)

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Please tell us how this came out. Might not hear from you for up to 6 months, but I'll want to hear how you made out. Be sure to tell the judge about your MX license.

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You know the problem with bad cops? They make the other 5% look bad.
 

idtrans

Expert Expediter
he has achieved many things starting with doing mx wheelies and putting a machete against his jewels LOL

Then have the manager go to court with you and have the charges dismissed.

Don't take this wrong but I've heard all of this before and for some reason the person telling me the story turned out to actually commit the crime.

I wish you luck and next time get a cart.
 

zorry

Veteran Expediter
idtrans solved it. Those jewels just get in the way riding MX. Actually the problem was after being in the store that long and then still hanging out with machete in waste band security had to wonder when's this guy gonna go Zorro on us ? Who's he gonna hurt ? A real concern these days .
 

mjmsprt40

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
OK, I hate to burst your bubble, MX, but I'm having a bit of trouble with this myself.

It has to do with the idea that the police in your town have nothing better to do than to bust young men who try to accomplish something with their lives. In my experience, which at one time or another even includes the Chicago police with their rather dubious record, it just ain't so. If it were so, I'd hear more stories about them busting up church choirs and college and career groups. So, I really suspect that having a professional MX license has absolutely nothing at all to do with this story. If that's all the police had against you, this would not have happened.

Having machetes sticking out of your belt, on the other hand.... the only thing that comes to mind is that you should also wear an eye patch, be in possession of a parrot, say "Arrrgh!!" a lot and be in the process of boarding the service desk when you were caught. "Arrrrgh, matey". Looking like you might be up to no good--- that's what really got you into trouble.
 

cheri1122

Veteran Expediter
Driver
I guess none of you guys have ever [somehow] found yourselves in a situation that might possibly look a bit questionable to someone whose job requires suspicion of 'odd' behavior?
I'm remembering a time when I was stretched across the bench seat of an old car in the predawn darkness, penlight clutched between my teeth, because I needed both hands to place the key in the ignition that had fallen down behind the dash. The hood was up, and jumper cables ran between the car battery & one sitting on a sheet of cardboard on the ground. And did I mention it was about 4 AM?
When I realized how the scene might appear to a LEO, I cracked up - dropped the penlight, bonked my head on the steering wheel getting up, and laughed even harder. It was, as the OP said, 'redic'.
I was just trying to get to work, in a car with a few familiar 'glitches', but try 'splainin that to the professionally suspicious, right?
Luckily, I never had to - but I can understand that sometimes, it aint what it looks like at all.:eek:
 

Jason2

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
I guess none of you guys have ever [somehow] found yourselves in a situation that might possibly look a bit questionable to someone whose job requires suspicion of 'odd' behavior?
I'm remembering a time when I was stretched across the bench seat of an old car in the predawn darkness, penlight clutched between my teeth, because I needed both hands to place the key in the ignition that had fallen down behind the dash. The hood was up, and jumper cables ran between the car battery & one sitting on a sheet of cardboard on the ground. And did I mention it was about 4 AM?
When I realized how the scene might appear to a LEO, I cracked up - dropped the penlight, bonked my head on the steering wheel getting up, and laughed even harder. It was, as the OP said, 'redic'.
I was just trying to get to work, in a car with a few familiar 'glitches', but try 'splainin that to the professionally suspicious, right?
Luckily, I never had to - but I can understand that sometimes, it aint what it looks like at all.:eek:

Did it hurt when you hit your head?:D I've been in a few situations also like that
 
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Moot

Veteran Expediter
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i found a mechete for 5 bucks with a belt holster good deal so cheap
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im tired of carrying this long mechete so i wedge it iin the side of my pants and was sticking out like 7 inches outside of my t shirt clearly visable
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iit didnt seem concealed since half of the mechete was clearly visable
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only one time my whole life a unpaid good left a store was i was at a sub shop and ate a cookie in line cuz were taking for ever cuz i was hungry and after i paid and done eating left and when i got to the car remembered i didint pay for the cookie and went back and paid all 1.25
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Lol but yes i never would consider taking something that wasnt mine i was brought up very strictly.
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all a sudden 4 cops come around a corner FREEEEZE i was like wtffffffff took me to the back room and started questioning me
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I also was very respectful trying to tell the cops the story at first and after they were trying to abuse the authority they had and be goons thats when i started to lose my self control..
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freaking pig goon scum bags karma will get them and get them oood
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the douche bag geek of a kid working the items loss prevention said he saw me go in and out of the store prob taking stuff to my vehicle and saw me put the mechete in my pants

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i was like ****cifer those jeans are worth more than 10 pairs of the jeans in there. nice try . then they lookd at my tape measure i had on me i was measuring the cots with and it has rust on it and i was like yea walmart needs to start checking ther merchandise its alittle rusty. he didnt think that was funny
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yayyy talke about trying to keep your composure ....
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i told them never have stolen anything in my life or been in trouble for anything like that ever just some speeding tickets here and there
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but its always subject of talk in any situation involving cops in my town.
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considering i have a clean record and never have stolen anything or even considerd it
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for being the only person to ever get my professional mx license i get messed with by the cops a whole lot searched all the time stopd for no reason.
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and i told the cops that i do not ever concent to vehicle searches but i will give you concent to go search my van right now and will not find anything stolen in there.
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and im not saying that stuff about the level i reached in racing as like i think im better than anyone or am special at all..thats so far from the fact and way past my personality.
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And no i never have flashd the pro id getting pulled over but i have it clipped on my left air vent so iknow were its at and dont lose it and manytimes has gotten me a free pass so to say.
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the loss prevention guy was like normally we let them walk out to see if their going to pay for it and then make a move but you looked like a runner..
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the head guy in walmart was very understanding because to him did not look like i was trying to steal it .
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I also was very respectful...
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And the loss prevention sorry excuse for a job kid.m used discrimination and racial profiling when he said i looked like the runner type

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So he went ahead to be the goon he was and called the cops and the mx. License ive already explained this.
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That level the honorable police here have somesort of getoff with messing with a kid who has done something with his life instead of doing there job and mess with the people who are up to nogood
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Your right i didnt believe it either when i woke up the next morning then the yellow sheet of paper met my eyes.
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The dream is over. Good luck in front of a judge!

I have both feet planted firmly in the "walking contradiction" camp and I'm being kind. I may pull up stakes and move to the next camp in the logical (illogical?) progression of this tale of woe. First one to that next camp please put a pot of coffee on the fire and save me a couple of DD's chocolate chip cookies.

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Rocketman

Veteran Expediter
Here's the deal. Nobody on this site can be judge and jury, we don't know what happened exactly. At best, we've heard one side.

MX, your young and we understand that. What you need to understand is that most of us are old enough to understand what this charge could do to your future. Most people your age (most of us included when we were your age) don't understand that these things can and will creep back up on you later in life when you finally get a chance at that dream job or dream opportunity. When they do the background check, stuff like this is what they DO NOT want to see.

The summary of this thread is pretty simple if you have paid attention, but it's worth saying one more time. GET A LAWYER! Geat a good one. You can go to the store manager. You can go to the judge before trial, you can do all sorts of things. But.... GET A LAWYER FIRST!!

Don't play with fire. If you have a clean record and you are innocent, don't let these guys screw it up for you. Once the verdict is in, it's too late. Go at it with everything you've got. Get it cleared off your record, THEN you can talk about what happened and how.
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
I don't know about that Cheri, I mean did you have a machete stuffed down your pants while you were trying to start the car?

Rocketman,
My father sat me down at the young age of 10 and explained to me pretty much what you said "Idiots and fools your age never get that the stupid things they do will bite them in the a** later in life when you finally get a great opportunity so don't be an idiot or a fool."
 
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