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DannyD

Veteran Expediter
A friend of my moms has a motorhome that she wants driven from Michigan to Washington state. She'd then fly me back to Michigan. I told my mom I'd charge $1000 plus the flight. Gas is paid for though I'm on my own for food. My mom felt her friend would think that's a bit high. The trip is to be done in October. Dates are open.

So a two part question here. 1)Was my price reasonable? & 2) If ya think I'm to high are ya interested in doing this? I was basically doing it as a favor. It's not a run I really want to do. I don't wanna miss my martial arts training or the weekend football games, so I'd rather pass, though I'd do it if she absolutely can't find anyone. She needs this done & I told my mom I'd try & find someone. Hence this post. If something like this interests ya feel free to contact me.

Take care,
Danny
 

LDB

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
I would figure it takes 4 days away from working time, maybe 5. When you are on the road how much do you net in a day? How much are your daily fixed costs (pmt, insurance etc.)? I'd want 4 times that amount on the theory I still owe those payments regardless and if I was running my truck I'd make that plus my daily net. If you wanted to shave it a little since it's mom's friend that's cool too. Good luck.

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Broompilot

Veteran Expediter
REASONABLE, let her find someone who has no expierence and find it upside down in a ditch. I will admitt I can do it for $999.99 there hows that for undercutting. But I want to bring my dog, smoke inside of it, and not do any dishes that I might dirty. Let her drive it herself.

Yes you are more than reasonable. I detail vehicles on the side when I come home, some old bitty told me if I lowered my price I could do more. OK I already have a waiting list everytime I come home just what I need less profit more work, I have raised my price and I still have more than I can handle everytime I am off.
 

DannyD

Veteran Expediter
wow, some of the exact logic I used w/ my mom. Though I didn't use the 4 times factor. I was throwing this out there in case someone maybe wanted to go out to Washington for other reasons. I had a hunch my price was reasonable. I was more just double checking on the price & then throwing out the offer in case someone wanted to go there for other reasons. While I view this as doing a favor for my mom's friend, someone else might be thinking "wow, I could use a trip to Washington because my children just moved there" or what have ya.

Btw/ I'm figuring people realize I'm not the one doing the hiring here. I'd simply intro ya to the lady who needs this done. She can't do background checks but I'd imagine if ya work for a company you've at least passed a driving check/background test already. Details would have to be worked out w/ her.

Take care,
Danny
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
$.75 a mile

I come to the conclusion that if they can afford a motor home, than they can afford the proper transportation of said motor home to a location of their choice.

from my house to Seattle, it is 2300 miles, so at .75 mile that is not only fair but also reasonable. some of these drivaway places charge more, I know paying $1.00/mile to move one last year.
 

Tennesseahawk

Veteran Expediter
Rich... ya sure you wanna go? That's Seahawk territory ;)

I'd be up to it, depending on the date your mom's friend had in mind. I wouldn't mind catching a game while I'm there. :D

"If I claim to be a wise man, it surely means that I don't know." - Kansas
 

Paul56

Seasoned Expediter
We do work like this occasionally for the RV dealers in the region when the dealer or customer has ordered a big motorhome.

In that case the equipment is new and we are dealing with a business so it makes the arrangement somewhat different than it will be in this case. We fly down, pickup the motorhome and bring it back with 2 drivers.

In this case it sounds like the equipment is used. I'd want an inspection/road test done and any safety or powertrain issues that have the potential to become showstoppers along the way repaired before leaving.

Then accepting the assignment with the understanding that the owner is financially responsible for the expense incurred for any repairs and fuel required along the way.

You will also want to do a little CYA by taking interior/exterior date/time stamped photos of the rig before departure and do the same thing on arrival.

Doing this work is really not much different that delivering a load in the box, except the load you are delivering is the rig you are driving. Figure out what your earnings are doing the former and apply it to the later, make adjustments as necessary due to circumstances.
 

DannyD

Veteran Expediter
A lil update here.

She's not willing to pay $1,000, which I said in the original post. She's also hesitant to have someone she doesn't know drive her vehicle. So in that regard I jumped the gun in asking if anyone was interested in taking it. For that I am sorry for any inconveniences I caused.

I also hope she doesn't get portrayed as a tightwad or anything of that nature. Where she's coming from is she's giving this thing to her daughter & was willing to pay a little something to have it delivered now rather than have her daughter come to Michigan & pick it up in the spring. She felt $1000 is to high for what she was willing to pay, but was totally understanding that a driver is going to have to make at least as much doing that as they would at their regular job. So it's not like she thought she was being overcharged by anyone, just that she felt it was more than she was willing to spend for her daughter.

She also appreciated that I'd ask people, but again that's my fault because I posted the original message after talking to my mom, not to her. I jumped the gun on that one.

Anyway, my take on it is she's giving her daughter a motorhome which is a pretty nice gesture. If she doesn't want to pay an extra $1,000 so her kid can get the thing 4 months earlier I can respect that.

Be well,
Danny
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
DannyD,

No disrespect but $1000 is too cheap.

This is 2300 miles of driving and possible breakdowns, flat tires or putting oil in it every 200 miles.

What I find odd is that here is a thread on a site that many people say 'Say NO to Cheap Freight' - well this is an example of cheap frieght, isn't it?

let's see - 2300 miles from my house to Seattle
$1000 gross - $ .44/mile

Again I am not trying to be disrespectful, just pointing out facts.
 

Jefferson3000

Expert Expediter
I think in this case, as well as the case of Uship, that the people who are shipping have NO idea how much it actually costs to ship something professionally. Usually they figure that they'll have someone that is already going there and can give them an extra $20 to drop off their bedroom and livingroom furniture along the way. In some of these cases, I do feel sorry for the shipper, because they do nave a need to move their freight, but have been given wrong info going in and therefore have wrong expectations. I wonder how much freight on Uship never gets moved, because the shipper thinks that Uship will allow him to move a house full of goods from Florida to California at 20% of the rate they got from United Van Lines.

Yeah Danny, I think that taking a cut because it's your mom's friend would maybe mean doing it for 66cpm vs. 75cpm. Around 1500 total. That would be considered a favor. These things always end up being a bigger deal than you think they will be.

My wife is a graphic/web designer. We have noticed over the last two years as a freelance artist, the cutomers who you give a DEAL, end up being the biggest pain in the patookus. It never ends up being a simple job. The customers who pay the full tilt rate are the most gracious in the end. I think it is because the cutomers who demand a special cut rate generally don't understand the value of what they are receiving.

Drive Safe!

Jeff
 

LDB

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
I don't think $1000 is too cheap IF a guy was going to be off a few days anyway and chose to spend those days on a scenic drive rather than in front of Oprah. If it involved driving your own truck then yes it's way too cheap. With fuel paid for as well as any repairs etc. required and a plane ticket waiting to take you back then 44cpm is not bad. You have zero expenses and can drive at your own pace with no logbook over your head.

I can understand the lady not wanting to spend that much on a giveaway as well. She might be as well off buying her daughter a plane ticket one way, get a visit in, and then the daughter drives it home.

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tec1959

Expert Expediter
I agree with Leo,Your just driving at your own pace.$1000 is not to bad to take a few days off an see things you'de other wise be able to see...
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
Leo, the problem is the 'what if's' not the issue if someone is sitting and doing nothing for two or three days. You and I both know that this can turn into a nightmare, especially if the person who is paying has the idea that this should be cheaper than what is beig charged or what the current rates are with companies that do this as a business.

We are talking about a motor home, not a Saturn - one flat may cost how much to get fixed?

Well makes me no never mind anyway, I am not offering to move it.
 

RichM

Veteran Expediter
Charter Member
It's irevelant now.Danny called me last night and said the lady does not wish to pay that amount.
 

DannyD

Veteran Expediter
DannyD,
No disrespect but $1000 is too cheap.

This is 2300 miles of driving and possible breakdowns, flat tires or putting oil in it every 200 miles.

What I find odd is that here is a thread on a site that many people say 'Say NO to Cheap Freight' - well this is an example of cheap frieght, isn't it?

let's see - 2300 miles from my house to Seattle
$1000 gross - $ .44/mile

Again I am not trying to be disrespectful, just pointing out facts


Hiya Greg,

For starters I didn't wanna do this at any price. I guess maybe ya missed that part. She wasn't saying that someone from here was charging to much. She was quite understanding in that anyone who drove this thing would have to make as much doing this as they would at their job. Her take on it was something along the lines of:

1)She's already giving the thing away.
2)Her daughter is coming to Michigan to pick it up in spring.
3)She's willing to pay a lil something so her daughter can get it now rather than wait.
4)Spending $1,000 is a bit much for something her daughter might use once between now & spring.

She never once had this "wow, you're charging way to much" attitude. It was more that she didn't want to spend that much for something that wasn't urgent.

Let's flip the situation around for a second here. Greg, if ya bought your kid a car (motorcycle, boat, just whatever) & he/she was coming to visit ya 4 months from now anyway, would ya pay $1000 to have it delivered to em today? Take out that ya'd do it yourself. And also factor in that he/she didn't need it this very minute. If ya had to either pay $1000 to have it delivered to him or just have him come get it in a few months, what choice would you make?


>I think in this case, as well as the case of Uship, that the
>people who are shipping have NO idea how much it actually
>costs to ship something professionally.

Hiya Jeff,

Again, she's not challenging the "professional shipping price". She just didn't think it's anything that urgent.


>Yeah Danny, I think that taking a cut because it's your
>mom's friend would maybe mean doing it for 66cpm vs. 75cpm.
>Around 1500 total. That would be considered a favor. These
>things always end up being a bigger deal than you think they
>will be.
>
>My wife is a graphic/web designer. We have noticed over the
>last two years as a freelance artist, the cutomers who you
>give a DEAL, end up being the biggest pain in the patookus.
>It never ends up being a simple job. The customers who pay
>the full tilt rate are the most gracious in the end. I
>think it is because the cutomers who demand a special cut
>rate generally don't understand the value of what they are
>receiving.
>

I agree that it's often the bargain hunters that are the biggest pain in the wazoos. I cleaned carpets b4 I did this job the first time around & I used to have $29 specials. Without fail those people were by far the most difficult to deal w/. The 2nd year my minimum was $50 & by my 3rd year I wasn't going to go into a place for less than $75 (kinda like no cheap freight eh?) unless it was empty, in which case I had some $50 jobs. That clientelle was more willing to pay & I got treated a lot better. I can't tell ya how many graduation parties, picnics & things of that nature I got invited to, but it was a fair amount. I'm sure some of that was because I was better at what I did but I'm guessing it was more influenced because I valued my services more & I'm sure it showed.

As for the price, I think Leo's on the right track. I hadn't even considered his line of thinking before. $1500 might be a favor price if it was my own vehicle. This is her vehicle though. Plus, not sure what truckers make per mile, but they have what?? a 96 inch bed if they're lucky? This is a motorhome w/ most of the comforts of a home. Plus there's no time constraints. You're not going to get stuck somewhere waiting on a load. No logs. Figuring on a 4 day trip, whoever drove it would make $250/day w/ the only expense being food, which ya have to eat whether you're home or on the road. Maybe not top dollar but not to terribly bad.

Annnnnnyway, I'm writing another book here. The proverbial "one last thing" is that she never challenged our right to make a living. For her there just wasn't enough vaule in what she had to pay for what she was getting. I can respect that. I'm just wishing that I didn't portray her as being tight in my original post because when I got more info I realized that wasn't the case at all.

Take care & be well,
Danny

Again, I didn't want this job at any price. I felt it was to low when I asked the original question & in jumping the gun I asked on here if maybe someone had another reason for maybe wanting to go to Washington & do this. I was thinking maybe someone might have family out there that they wanted to see & would take it knowing they'd be flown back home.
 

LDB

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
I agree a flat or other issue could be expensive. I wouldn't do it without a written agreement saying all expenses would be paid by the owner. My only point was that if somebody was going to sit around the house for a few days making nothing this could be a good option instead.

Leo Bricker, 73's K5LDB, OOIDA 677319
Owner, Panther trucks 5507, 5508, 5509
Highway Watch Participant, Truckerbuddy
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BigBusBob

Veteran Expediter
Driver
Danny, I would be interested in runnin' the coach for her.
I believe I can offer a very competitive rate.

I'm in G'ville, SC... but if she books a flight online atleast 2 weeks prior; then the flight won't cost her very much at all.

Get more info on the specs of the machine, but without knowing the make, model, or engine type... I'd anticipate about 8 mpg roughly.

Send me an e-mail or private message me here on EO.
BigBob
 

DannyD

Veteran Expediter
Hiya Bob,

I mailed ya a few days ago. Guess maybe it didn't go thru or something. It was sent to your AOL addy. She's no longer interested. Not only cuz of the price but also cuz she's hesitant to have someone she doesn't know drive her vehicle.

Take care,
Danny
 
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