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How are things going this year?
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There was a debate?....lol
Can't wait for carriers that do the flat rate model of FSC to realize they are over paying the gas cargo vans and way over paying the diesels.... since the formula is set at 15 mpg....those CV's getting 18 mpg are actually have 100% of their fuel paid....
zorry
Veteran Expediter
That's a good thing.
A reward for buying better equipment, maintaining it properly, and having good driving habits.
If Vicktor is running around at 10mpg keeping the fleet average down, the better operator wins.
If Vicktor leaves any freight for you to haul.
And those getting 12 like cubes don't and most companies don't pay full surcharge are you proposing those that do pay it keep some instead of passing it on to their fleet like they should? Call me confused on this one.
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referring to me of course.....lol
I may do that, been thinking, watching my friends out there and talking with them a couple of times a week. They have been doing about 1200 miles a week with maybe a 2000 miler thrown in every once in awhile. Its doable, buck a mile, social security coming in now, (( I miss Laredo,lol )).
jimlookup
Seasoned Expediter
My opinion is that cost isn't a factor anymore because it's just passed on to the end user. Todays business model calls for enough cost to be passed on to create a large profit and some big bonuses. Costs are also passed on to the employees (drivers, in our case) through the magic of "increased productivity". Like more work for less pay, the same amount of work for fewer workers, a abundant supply of cheap labor and jobs and factorys moved off shore. This is how they cut costs in todays economy.
This needs addressed. When I call and get a cheap fare on an Airline and book it. If for some reason or another I want to Canx the flight. Many cases u loose your money no refund. Thus the Airlines get over and get there money reguardless of weather u show or not. In many cases rebook that seat. Well I firmly believe if a customer books a truck and then tries to canx I think the company like the airlines make them pay any anyway Full Price. This can keep the things honest. No more securing a Truck with one company then finding another company to do cheaper and canx. The Airlines got the Nads ta push the issue, so should the big Companies we drive for. Canx loads scott free, Canx airline flight you pay full price. Think about it. HMM
Kinda goes hand in hand. Load canxs no $$$ Canx the flight Reservations you paid for NO Refund. HMMM Somthing to think about.
Airlines hold Your feet to the fire. When will the Companies start doing the same.
Kinda goes hand in hand. Load canxs no $$$ Canx the flight Reservations you paid for NO Refund. HMMM Somthing to think about.
Airlines hold Your feet to the fire. When will the Companies start doing the same.
agree to a point.... how much of the MRSP includes "expedite" costs?....
I can imagine the bidding to win a parts contract is very competitive....with the Likes of TRW, Eaton, ACI, Dana the list goes on.....I really don't think there is a big profit margin as many may think...The cost to make 20 million widgets the profit would be _____?......then subtract unforseen costs as EXCESSIVE expediting.....
when I worked indoors, Ford paid our company .12 a transmission pin.....the process was long and arduous...and the specs were very tight....the profit was in the volume/numbers.
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TRW is on Expeditors. Dana is on NLM. Eaton Fuller and I think International Truck and Engine are on Menlo Worldwide Logistics. Most of these companies post their loads on third party logistics load boards. There's no contract to be won other than whether or not a particular 3PL will allow you access to these loads; or in the case of NLM, Ford, GM, or Dana if they will award you the loads. It's a lot of work bidding on freight. I can tell you that. I worked harder than I ever did in the office. Driving is the easy end of the deal.
The rates are pretty depressed right now. My friend is bidding on loads for a buck a mile and still losing them other companies. I keep on remembering the days when 60MPH would lecture me on the phone about how clearing 500 dollars after fuel wasn't clearing 500 dollars. He'd be like "tires aren't free, oil doesn't change itself!" He was so adamant about making a profitable rate per mile. Now that I'm past the more miles mentality I can see what he was getting at. I think it's terrible that we spend 80 percent of the year on the road away from our families for mediocre wages. It all boils down to what your time is really worth. I hope it gets better. But usually it has to get worse before it gets better.
Well as bad as it has gotten you'd think people would stop taking cheap freight! If it's this bad and drivers are still running for free It's gotta get really bad before we band together and demand a fair rate.
Fair rates:
Cargo Van: 1.50 per mile.
Straight Truck: 2.50 per mile.
Tractor Trailer: 3.50 per mile.
well...wife's bank.....lol
paullud
Veteran Expediter
The things to look at are what other skill sets a driver has to offer that could provide a living. The answer all to often is nothing and they aren't trying to acquire any new ones so drivers end up trapped and being forced to fight for bread crumbs because they can't leave. Then you have the ignorant drivers that don't know how to run a simple business that just depress rates further.
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What kind of straight truck? Dry box? Reefer? What qualifications? $2.50 is a good starting point but hardly a fair rate.
WanderngFool
Active Expediter
Hardly a fair rate? I'd kill for $2.50/mile in a straight.
How are you getting that much? Are you leased on or have your own authority?
I see what you’re saying but there is a big gap between fair and what the market will bare. For example I ship full truckloads from Omaha Ne all over the country, we have a local (National) TL carrier who had rates around $2.95 per miles on their company trucks, but we had several brokers who averaged $1.35 to $1.60 to the markets we ship to. From a shippers perspective it`s not a hard decision, years ago we would have run from Brokers but we have learned to take the good with the bad and it should be noted all the broker trucks we get in are owner operators which really do a better job than the more expensive company drivers. I started out driving a straight truck 15 years ago and the drivers today make less than I did then which is a disgrace but from a shippers standpoint who have to justify cost it’s a very easy choice.
Don`t hold your breath. I can`t believe the apathy since I documented the lack of rate increases in more than 20 years. I guess people enjoy going broke.
As for me I`m too old and dumb to do anything else.
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