Hot Fuel

dieseldiva

Veteran Expediter
Nothing new here, just glad to see the issue getting more and more press.



The Associated Press June 18, 2007, 8:39PM EST text size: TT
'Hot fuel' debate fueling lawsuits

By GREG BLUESTEIN



ATLANTA

It's not just increased demand that sends summertime gasoline prices soaring. It's also the increased temperature.

As the temperature rises, liquid gasoline expands and the amount of energy in each gallon drops. Since gas is priced at a 60-degree standard and gas pumps don't adjust for any temperature changes, motorists often get less bang for their buck in warmer weather.

Consumer watchdog groups warn that the temperature hike could end up costing consumers between 3 and 9 cents a gallon at the pump.

The effect could cost U.S. drivers more than $1.5 billion in the summertime, including $228 million to drivers in California alone, according to the House Subcommittee on Domestic Policy, which recently addressed it in hearings. The committee's chair, Rep. Dennis Kucinich, D-Ohio, has long been an advocate on the issue and has new clout as a member of the congressional majority.

Gas retailers say forcing stations to adjust their pumps would be too costly, and they asked Kucinich to call off the hearings and wait for more studies.

The issue has driven trial lawyers to fire off as many as 20 federal lawsuits accusing retailers of using simple physics to take advantage of consumers. Challenges have been filed in Alabama, Arkansas, California, Florida, Kansas, Missouri and New Jersey, among other states and some are seeking class-action status.

The latest lawsuit, filed last week in federal district court in Georgia, claims that distributors have been "unjustly enriched" by tens of millions of dollars. They did so by paying taxes on the fuel based on the colder industry standard but pocketing the taxes collected from customers when the temperature soars, it alleged.

"I don't believe gas retailers should collect more in purported taxes than they pay the government," said Bryan Vroon, one of the attorneys in the Georgia suit. "Gas prices are high enough without the over-collection of taxes."

The "hot fuel" effect is a matter of simple physics.

Almost a century ago, the industry and regulators agreed to define a gallon of gasoline as 231 cubic inches at 60 degrees. But as the mercury rises and gasoline expands, it takes more than a gallon of gas to produce the same amount of energy. The opposite is true when gasoline contracts in colder weather.

U.S. gas retailers ignore the temperature swings and always dispense fuel as if it's 60 degrees. As a result, gas is an average of about 5 degrees warmer than the federal standard, according to a study analyzed by ##### Suiter of the National Institute of Standards and Technology.

According to the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, the average U.S. temperature in May was 63 degrees; average for all of 2006 was 55 degrees. But drivers fare worst in southern and western states where the temperatures are the most consistently warm.

Increased demand also send gas prices higher during the peak summer travel season, so the effect of paying more for less in the warmer months is more pronounced.

The impact isn't lost upon Carl Rittenhouse, a carpet worker from the north Georgia town of Chatsworth.

"You can tell the difference between the time you fill up in the morning or night, or if you fill up in the middle of the day," said Rittenhouse, who joined one of the lawsuits. "All you have to do is look at the fumes."

The debate is now reaching Washington.

Sen. Barbara Boxer, D-Calif., recently urged California lawmakers to take action. And Rep. Kucinich earlier this month called a hearing on the issue, calling it "Big Oil's double standard."

"People are paying for gasoline they're not getting," said Kucinich, who is running for president.

Lawmakers don't have to look very far for possible solutions.

In frigid Canada, where cold temperatures were giving consumers an edge, many gas stations voluntarily backed a program to add pumps that automatically adjust volumes based on temperature.

During the energy crisis in the 1970s, tropical Hawaii decided to set a base fuel temperature of 80 degrees, meaning that consumers there get more bang for their buck because retailers now dispense 234 cubic inches of gas per gallon rather than 231.

The federal government is considering a similar change as well. The National Conference on Weights and Measures is to vote in July on whether to allow temperature regulation by retailers.

The upcoming decision is worrying some fuel distributors, who say the new equipment could force some independent dealers out of business. NATSO, a trade group representing truck stop owners, estimates that each retrofitted pump could cost between $1,500 to $3,800.

"The average truck stop has 20 pumps," said Mindy Long, a spokeswoman for the group. "The burden on them would be phenomenal."

NATSO and other gas retailers have formed a group called PUMP -- the Partnership for Uniform Marketing Practices -- which is calling for more studies on the issue before taking any action.

They have a powerful ally in Rep. Bart Gordon, the Tennessee Democrat who chairs the House Committee on Science and Technology. In a May letter to the National Academy of Sciences, he suggested the idea of retrofitting pumps may be "premature."

The trucking companies and motorists behind the lawsuits hope they could force politicians to act quicker.

"You're not getting as much as what you're paying for, really," said Rittenhouse, the north Georgia motorist. "Most folks don't have a clue. But it's costing them."
 

nightcreacher

Veteran Expediter
these high fuel prices are making everyone paranoid.the fuel in the ground is colder than the fuel in your fuel tank,that is why you only fuel to 95% or the expansion of the fuel will run out.if you are able to monitor your fuel mileage it is done by what goes in and out your engine from your fuel tanks.when my guage says i used 200 gallons,that is about all i can put back in at the pump,if the oil companies are forced to do anything to show the fuel temps at the pump,us as consumers will be paying for it,and if we are loosing any money for hot fuel,we will be loosing more if anything is changed
one other thing,next time you fuel your truck,touch the fuel, is it really hot?
 

dieseldiva

Veteran Expediter
From OOIDA's hot fuel site, should we write and tell them they're full of crap and it's all a bunch of hooey???


Hot Fuel Myths & Facts


MYTH: Fill up in the morning when it’s cooler.

FACT: 35,000-gallon tanks do not dramatically change temperature in daily cycles.


MYTH: In-ground tanks at gas stations keep fuel at 60 degrees Fahrenheit.

FACT: The insulated, fiberglass tanks tend to keep fuel at the temperature it was delivered… for a long time. Also, larger retailers turn over fuel supplies very rapidly, greatly reducing the time the fuel spends in the tanks.


MYTH: Temperature only causes tablespoons of difference in amount of fuel delivered.

FACT: A 25-gallon fill-up of 75 degree F gasoline equates to a loss of nearly one quart. The same fill-up at 90 degrees F equates to nearly a half gallon.


MYTH: Fuel expands and contracts in a truck’s tanks, so there shouldn’t be a problem, right?

FACT: The only point that fuel temperature expansion and contraction have an impact on the wallet is at the retail pump.


MYTH: Cold winter fuel offsets warm summer fuel, so it’s an even trade off over the long term.

FACT: Statistics show this is not the case. Consumer losses are ten times greater in warmer states than consumer gains in cool states.


MYTH: With temperature compensation, the consumer will rarely receive an actual gallon of fuel.

FACT: Consumers will receive equivalent BTUs per gallon with temperature compensation, and can shop by price.


MYTH: 90 percent of fuel retailers are small “mom and pop†operations.

FACT: Several large oil production companies and refiners own 25 percent of the stations that sell their brand fuel.


MYTH: The cost to retro-fit the pumps will far outweigh the benefit to the consumers.

FACT: The one-time cost to retro-fit retail pumps is very close to the extra amount consumers already pay annually for hot fuel.


MYTH: The cost of retro-fitting the pumps will raise the price of fuel for all consumers.

FACT: Consumers have borne the burden of hot fuel sales for decades. Once the problem is fixed they will reap the benefits for future decades.



Background on the “Turn Down Hot Fuel†campaign
OOIDA Discovers a Heated Problem

* In 2002, OOIDA staff began investigating the differences in mileages in diesel fuel from varying retailers, based on reports that truckers were getting different mileages from different fill-ups. It was in this investigation they discovered that temperature was making a difference in costs.
* It was learned that some fuels are sold as high as 90 degrees F. An all-time high was sold to one driver at 118 degrees F.
* OOIDA began taking its findings to the National Conference on Weights and Measures and lawmakers.
* In 2006, some states began paying attention and set forth bills to address the problem.

In 2007, the United States Congress began addressing the issue.

Fuel Illustration

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Moot

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
Fact is if every pump in the country was retrofitted with new technology we the consumer would pay for that.
 

dieseldiva

Veteran Expediter
Hmm, I guess if there wasn't any truth to this then the Canadians wasted a lot of time and money trying to protect their profits. Amazing how fast the oil companies will respond when it's THEIR pockets that are emptying.

<Such technology exists in Canada – where average fuel temperatures are generally below 60 degrees – but not in the U.S. In Canada, retailers and oil companies installed the equipment voluntarily after determining that cool fuel was diminishing their profits.>

Full story here: http://www.landlinemag.com/Special_Reports/2007/Jun07/060807_OOIDA_testimony.htm
 

Tennesseahawk

Veteran Expediter
The upcoming decision is worrying some fuel distributors, who say the new equipment could force some independent dealers out of business. NATSO, a trade group representing truck stop owners, estimates that each retrofitted pump could cost between $1,500 to $3,800.

"The average truck stop has 20 pumps," said Mindy Long, a spokeswoman for the group. "The burden on them would be phenomenal."
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Umm... excuse me, but over the last year, I'm sure each pump has made that and more by selling hot fuel. Whenever I see the word 'spokesperson', I usually see someone who is out to make excuses for fleecing the public. So, NATSO, you'd rather keep it status quo and continue screwing the customer. Is that what you're saying?

-Vampire Super Slooth Trucker!!!
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
Ok Scientists are now predicting a cooling off period of the planet with temperatures dropping as to the now heated spell...as DieselDiva pointed out conderning Canada's solution we'll just see how U.S suppliers change thier tune when money flows the wrong way...I am betting the retro-fit will be swift!!!
 

fortwayne

Not a Member
Never believe the oil companies, never believe the politicians, but believe me - we will pay at one point or another.
My thought is if we became a nation more reliable upon its' own fuel and energy sources the better off we would be in the long run. But, that would require more drilling and god help us if we had to cut down some trees, drive bambi from her home or upset the ocean and move Flipper further out.

Fort Wayne
Boycott The Flyless J!
 

dieseldiva

Veteran Expediter
>Never believe the oil companies, never believe the
>politicians, but believe me - we will pay at one point or
>another.
>My thought is if we became a nation more reliable upon its'
>own fuel and energy sources the better off we would be in
>the long run. But, that would require more drilling and god
>help us if we had to cut down some trees, drive bambi from
>her home or upset the ocean and move Flipper further out.
>
>Fort Wayne
>Boycott The Flyless J!

True enough and let's not forget the wealthy greenies with the "not in my back yard" mentality!

Oh yes and the "do as I say and not as I do" hypocrites!!
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
There is NOT enough oil here for us GREEDY humanoids!! OIL is NOT a RENEWABLE resource we have to quit thinking like that!!!!We WILL run out one day...
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
Two things;

1 - I filled up with a cold truck, fuel in my tanks were the same temp as the air. Filled them to the top, can see the fuel. The pump handle was very warm. I later drove off and my fuel gauge showed I didn't fill the tanks all the way.

2 - don't care about the issue other than what I mentioned and there should be a standard for fuel sales, no exceptions. If it is 60 degrees as an excepted standard, then there should be no problems. The retrofitting of the pumps can be done without a problem.
 

nightcreacher

Veteran Expediter
but in the retrofitting,the consumer will pay the cost,and for a couple gallons a fill up it isnt worth the time to worry about it
 

Doggie Daddy

Veteran Expediter
>but in the retrofitting,the consumer will pay the cost,and
>for a couple gallons a fill up it isnt worth the time to
>worry about it

Well it is worth my time to worry about it.Throwing away a couple of gallons a fill up a few times a week can certainly affect my bottom line.With fuel prices at the level they are right now,we should all be doing whatever we can to save fuel and to get what we pay for.DD.
 

Tennesseahawk

Veteran Expediter
>but in the retrofitting,the consumer will pay the cost,and
>for a couple gallons a fill up it isnt worth the time to
>worry about it

That's a poor attitude! And what do you think? The customer is already paying for it. You are already paying for it. Each pump in VA, for example, has probably made enough to pay for 5 retrofittings over a year. Money that the truckstops don't claim. Money that is free and clear out of our pockets.

If you think it's ok, just send your fsc to me. I'd appreciate it.

-Vampire Super Slooth Trucker!!!
 

dieseldiva

Veteran Expediter
>>but in the retrofitting,the consumer will pay the cost,and
>>for a couple gallons a fill up it isnt worth the time to
>>worry about it
>
>That's a poor attitude! And what do you think? The customer
>is already paying for it. You are already paying for it.
>Each pump in VA, for example, has probably made enough to
>pay for 5 retrofittings over a year. Money that the
>truckstops don't claim. Money that is free and clear out of
>our pockets.
>
>If you think it's ok, just send your fsc to me. I'd
>appreciate it.
>
>-Vampire Super Slooth Trucker!!!


Now Thawk, let's not be too rough on him. If his calculations of "a couple gallons a fill up" are correct, then we can only deduct that driving an "E" unit for the Fed allows our friend here to toss a minimum of a five dollar bill in the trash can each and every time he fills up! Myself, I can think of a million or two other things I'd like to do with that money but that's just me, what do I know, I'm just a truck driver!
 

bryan

Veteran Expediter
Hi

It will probably save the oil companies some money.They will not have to pay to heat the fuel. Just touch the elbow that connects the trigger to the hose at the Loves in Little Rock AR.Last time I fueled there the outside temp was about 50 degrees and that elbow was as hot as fresh brewed coffee.I don't fuel there any more.
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
You know that what they are talking about in cost? It is not a lot of money for each pump.

The thing is the despensing equipment manufacutures already had this option for years but most of the stations and companies never ordered it. The device they need to install measures the tempature after the pump and the computer already has the option built into it but has that option turned off until the device is installed.

Most likely the cost can be paid for by the time one tanker of fuel is sold. BIG DEAL.
 
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