HOS rules to stay same for now
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mrgoodtude
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Thats good news since I am getting a restart between each load these days.
mrgoodtude
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>Its bad news for me, that the split sleeper rule will stay
>the same. My Co-Driver can`t/won`t drive the 8 or 12 hrs at
>a stretch.
>
>For the life of me I can`t figure how they can feel 8 or 10
>hours of a sleepy driver at the wheel makes sense.
I know what you mean as there are times after waiting all day for a offer (both up) you get the all-nighter...
I think the regs should be looser for the Expedite segment as it is a completely different animal.
Mike
>the same. My Co-Driver can`t/won`t drive the 8 or 12 hrs at
>a stretch.
>
>For the life of me I can`t figure how they can feel 8 or 10
>hours of a sleepy driver at the wheel makes sense.
I know what you mean as there are times after waiting all day for a offer (both up) you get the all-nighter...
I think the regs should be looser for the Expedite segment as it is a completely different animal.
Mike
They need to change it from 8 hours sleeper to 6 hours sleeper so teams could go to a 6/6 system to equally divide the calendar day without the exhaustion 12/12 shifts create. When I was driving tractor team we were under the 10 driving hours rule and did 5/5 shifts. That was ok but not great. There just wasn't quite enough rest in a 4 hour nap to do another 5 hours of driving. If there'd been an extra hour of sleeping time it would have made a big difference. The big question is how do we get someone in front of them to talk some sense rather than talking big company profit systems like the current lobbyists do?
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RLENT
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The big question is how do we get someone in front of them to talk some sense rather than talking big company profit systems like the current lobbyists do?
Well for starters you find out specifically what committees in the House and Senate have oversight powers on the executive branch agency or agencies - and that can be a PITA to agency or it's head, can call hearings, author legislation, etc.
Then contact the committee members - ideally the chairman and/or ranking member - but any and/or all of them - have as many people as possible contact them (ideally folks from their district that they actually represent) and make a case for why this is a problem - and is actually less safe for the way that we want it to be.
The trick on this is finding the staff members that control access or the agenda of the representative or senator. Most people (that haven't dealt with Congress) don't realize that it is staff that largely control a reps agenda - simply by being the funnel that controls the information flow to the rep. And staff (and lobbyists) are the ones that actually write the legislation - not the rep (who might not even totally know what's in a particular bill)
Most of these staff are very young - 25 to 35 or so - just out of college and are, largely, the ones running your country. (Which is a bit of a scary thought in itself ....) The practice is to go to DC and work there for a period of time - and then get hired by one of the companies that are lobbying congress - for a lot more $$$ than what they were making workin' for the gov'mint.
Emails are fine, phone calls are good - but ideally actual face time - and showing up at a congressman's (or congresswoman's) office is best - it's something that they have to deal with - by virtue of you actually being there - and it communicates a level of interest and commitment on one's part to the issue, If you can't meet with the rep, then you try to meet with key staff.
If you can locate the right staff member(s) and get them on your side (by showing them why it's politically the right thing to do - and how it would benefit Rep. X or Senator Y) and get them pulling for you, it greases the rails a bit.
There's a good book about dealing with those that reside in inside the Beltway - IIRC it's called "How to Win in Washington" - a must read for anyone trying to do business there.
Well for starters you find out specifically what committees in the House and Senate have oversight powers on the executive branch agency or agencies - and that can be a PITA to agency or it's head, can call hearings, author legislation, etc.
Then contact the committee members - ideally the chairman and/or ranking member - but any and/or all of them - have as many people as possible contact them (ideally folks from their district that they actually represent) and make a case for why this is a problem - and is actually less safe for the way that we want it to be.
The trick on this is finding the staff members that control access or the agenda of the representative or senator. Most people (that haven't dealt with Congress) don't realize that it is staff that largely control a reps agenda - simply by being the funnel that controls the information flow to the rep. And staff (and lobbyists) are the ones that actually write the legislation - not the rep (who might not even totally know what's in a particular bill)
Most of these staff are very young - 25 to 35 or so - just out of college and are, largely, the ones running your country. (Which is a bit of a scary thought in itself ....) The practice is to go to DC and work there for a period of time - and then get hired by one of the companies that are lobbying congress - for a lot more $$$ than what they were making workin' for the gov'mint.
Emails are fine, phone calls are good - but ideally actual face time - and showing up at a congressman's (or congresswoman's) office is best - it's something that they have to deal with - by virtue of you actually being there - and it communicates a level of interest and commitment on one's part to the issue, If you can't meet with the rep, then you try to meet with key staff.
If you can locate the right staff member(s) and get them on your side (by showing them why it's politically the right thing to do - and how it would benefit Rep. X or Senator Y) and get them pulling for you, it greases the rails a bit.
There's a good book about dealing with those that reside in inside the Beltway - IIRC it's called "How to Win in Washington" - a must read for anyone trying to do business there.
greg334
Veteran Expediter
Emails are fine, phone calls are good - but ideally actual face time - and showing up at a congressman's (or congresswoman's) office is best - it's something that they have to deal with - by virtue of you actually being there - and it communicates a level of interest and commitment on one's part to the issue, If you can't meet with the rep, then you try to meet with key staff.
I think someone else said that too - a bunch of times. :*
I also would say there needs a safe harbor exemption put into the HOS.
For example I could be typing this while I am out of hours sitting under the Ambassador bridge being harrassed by prostitutes and beggars, I have gotten a hours worth the sleep to that after hitting the 24 hour mark at 9AM. I live less than 20 minutes away from that spot where I could be at but I can't move the truck legally. Well I am not sitting under the bridge but I am far from home.
I think a safe harbor exemption would be something that is similar to the adverse weather exemption, where you have an extra two hours to go home but as a trade off it must include a 24 hour rest cycle before you can go back on duty.
I think someone else said that too - a bunch of times. :*
I also would say there needs a safe harbor exemption put into the HOS.
For example I could be typing this while I am out of hours sitting under the Ambassador bridge being harrassed by prostitutes and beggars, I have gotten a hours worth the sleep to that after hitting the 24 hour mark at 9AM. I live less than 20 minutes away from that spot where I could be at but I can't move the truck legally. Well I am not sitting under the bridge but I am far from home.
I think a safe harbor exemption would be something that is similar to the adverse weather exemption, where you have an extra two hours to go home but as a trade off it must include a 24 hour rest cycle before you can go back on duty.
A simpler way to make your views known, is to click on the link in the original post, and follow the directions found in the article for submitting a comment.
I've just submitted mine, and I urge everyone to do the same, and to ask drivers who are unaware of the opportunity to make their opinion known. There is a mailing address for those who may lack internet access.
What have you got to lose?
I've just submitted mine, and I urge everyone to do the same, and to ask drivers who are unaware of the opportunity to make their opinion known. There is a mailing address for those who may lack internet access.
What have you got to lose?
greg334
Veteran Expediter
The real key is to have a effective lobby such as the ATA and or the National Chamber of Commerce have now.
Redytrk
We allow this to happen. We are letting the lobbyist control our government, we vote – they don’t! Companies also don’t vote, we vote!
I get really frustrated with ‘truckers’ (expediters seem to understand this issue more than the typical trucker), most who I run into and talk to don’t know what power they hold and many more DON’T VOTE. Many think it is useless to call, write or visit their representatives. Many seem like sheep, they don’t care and I am very critical of them. Some are just plain lazy and others don’t understand that this is a profession and any profession needs to be heard. Hence my signature line.
As far as commenting on the proposal, I think that the effort needs to be pointed at the senators and congressmen themselves. Get working on taking out an hour to call or write or if you are home go to their office or if you are in Washington, go see them. Call ahead and make an appointment. Geez you voted for them, see them, tell them what you think.
If I am not mistaken and someone can correct me, when I was in Washington last I was told that here are the committees who do the oversight of the situation. Sorry for the length of the post, blame congress.
Senate – Committee is the ‘Environmental and Public Works’ which has the subcommittee ‘Transportation and Infrastructure’. Oh here is the link to the page which has links to each member’s website http://epw.senate.gov/public/
‘Environmental and Public Works’ Committee members;
James M. Inhofe R-Oklahoma
James M. Jeffords I-Vermont
John W. Warner R-Virginia
Max Baucus D-Montana
Christopher S. Bond R-Missouri
Joseph I. Lieberman D-Connecticut
George V. Voinovich R-Ohio
Barbara Boxer D-California
Lincoln Chafee R-Rhode Island
Thomas R. Carper D-Delaware
Lisa Murkowski R-Alaska
Hillary Rodham Clinton D-New York
John Thune R-South Dakota
Frank Lautenberg D-New Jersey
Jim DeMint, R-South Carolina
Barack Obama D-Illinois
Johnny Isakson R-Georgia
David Vitter R-Louisiana
The ‘Transportation and Infrastructure’ subcommittee has the following members.
I think the list is outdated but that’s the senate for you, they take their time with everything.
Christopher S. Bond, Missouri, Chairman
John W. Warner, Virginia
George V. Voinovich, Ohio
Lincoln Chafee, Rhode Island
Lisa Murkowski, Alaska
John Thune, South Dakota
Max Baucus, Montana
Joseph I. Lieberman, Connecticut
Barbara Boxer, California
Thomas R. Carper, Delaware
Hillary Rodham Clinton, New York
House – See below for the subcommittee list
Here is the link to their site - http://transportation.house.gov/
Here is the link to the subcommittee that has oversight for the FMCSA (they are at the bottom of the post)
http://republicans.transportation.house.gov/subcommittees/Highways.aspx
Here is link to the house’s website – http://www.house.gov
Here is a list of the members of the the transportation committee;
Nick J. Rahall, II, West Virginia
Peter A. DeFazio, Oregon
Jerry F. Costello, Illinois
Eleanor Holmes Norton, District of Columbia
Jerrold Nadler, New York
Corrine Brown, Florida
Bob Filner, California
Eddie Bernice Johnson, Texas
Gene Taylor, Mississippi
Elijah E. Cummings, Maryland
Ellen O. Tauscher, California
Leonard L. Boswell, Iowa
Tim Holden, Pennsylvania
Brian Baird, Washington
Rick Larsen, Washington
Michael E. Capuano, Massachusetts
Julia Carson, Indiana
Timothy H. Bishop, New York
Michael H. Michaud, Maine
Brian Higgins, New York
Russ Carnahan, Missouri
John T. Salazar, Colorado
Grace F. Napolitano, California
Daniel Lipinski, Illinois
Doris O. Matsui, California
Nick Lampson, Texas
Zachary T. Space, Ohio
Mazie K. Hirono, Hawaii
Bruce L. Braley, Iowa
Jason Altmire, Pennsylvania
Timothy J. Walz, Minnesota
Heath Shuler, North Carolina
Michael A. Arcuri, New York
Harry E. Mitchell, Arizona
Christopher P. Carney, Pennsylvania
John J. Hall, New York
Steve Kagen, Wisconsin
Steve Cohen, Tennessee
Jerry McNerney, California
Laura Richardson, California
John L. Mica, FloridaDon Young, Alaska
Thomas E. Petri, Wisconsin
Howard Coble, North Carolina
John J. Duncan, Jr., Tennessee
Wayne T. Gilchrest, Maryland
Vernon J. Ehlers, Michigan
Steven C. LaTourette, Ohio
Richard H. Baker, Louisiana
Frank A. LoBiondo, New Jersey
Jerry Moran, Kansas
Gary G. Miller, California
Robin Hayes, North Carolina
Henry E. Brown Jr., South Carolina
Timothy V. Johnson, Illinois
Todd Russell Platts, Pennsylvania
Sam Graves, Missouri
Bill Shuster, Pennsylvania
John Boozman, Arkansas
Jim Gerlach, Pennsylvania
Shelley Moore Capito, West Virginia
Mario Diaz-Balart, Florida
Charles W. Dent, Pennsylvania
Ted Poe, Texas
David G. Reichert, Washington
Connie Mack, Florida
John R. “Randy†Kuhl Jr., New York
Lynn A. Westmoreland, Georgia
Charles W. Boustany Jr., Louisiana
Jean Schmidt, Ohio
Candice S. Miller, Michigan
Thelma D. Drake, Virginia
Mary Fallin, Oklahoma
Vern Buchanan, Florida
Subcommittee on Highways and Transit Committee on Transportation and Infrastructure
John J. Duncan, Jr., TN
Don Young, AK
Thomas E. Petri, WI
Howard Coble, NC
Richard H. Baker, LA
Gary G. Miller, CA
Robin Hayes, NC
Henry E. Brown, Jr., SC
Timothy V. Johnson, IL
Todd Russell Platts, PA
John Boozman, AR
Shelley Moore Capito, WV
Jim Gerlach, PA
Mario Diaz-Balart, FL
Charles W. Dent, PA
Ted Poe, TX
David G. Reichert, WA
Charles W. Boustany, Jr., LA
Jean Schmidt, OH
Candice S. Miller, MI
Thelma D. Drake, VA
Mary Fallin, OK
Vern Buchanan, FL
John L. Mica, FL (ex officio)
Redytrk
We allow this to happen. We are letting the lobbyist control our government, we vote – they don’t! Companies also don’t vote, we vote!
I get really frustrated with ‘truckers’ (expediters seem to understand this issue more than the typical trucker), most who I run into and talk to don’t know what power they hold and many more DON’T VOTE. Many think it is useless to call, write or visit their representatives. Many seem like sheep, they don’t care and I am very critical of them. Some are just plain lazy and others don’t understand that this is a profession and any profession needs to be heard. Hence my signature line.
As far as commenting on the proposal, I think that the effort needs to be pointed at the senators and congressmen themselves. Get working on taking out an hour to call or write or if you are home go to their office or if you are in Washington, go see them. Call ahead and make an appointment. Geez you voted for them, see them, tell them what you think.
If I am not mistaken and someone can correct me, when I was in Washington last I was told that here are the committees who do the oversight of the situation. Sorry for the length of the post, blame congress.
Senate – Committee is the ‘Environmental and Public Works’ which has the subcommittee ‘Transportation and Infrastructure’. Oh here is the link to the page which has links to each member’s website http://epw.senate.gov/public/
‘Environmental and Public Works’ Committee members;
James M. Inhofe R-Oklahoma
James M. Jeffords I-Vermont
John W. Warner R-Virginia
Max Baucus D-Montana
Christopher S. Bond R-Missouri
Joseph I. Lieberman D-Connecticut
George V. Voinovich R-Ohio
Barbara Boxer D-California
Lincoln Chafee R-Rhode Island
Thomas R. Carper D-Delaware
Lisa Murkowski R-Alaska
Hillary Rodham Clinton D-New York
John Thune R-South Dakota
Frank Lautenberg D-New Jersey
Jim DeMint, R-South Carolina
Barack Obama D-Illinois
Johnny Isakson R-Georgia
David Vitter R-Louisiana
The ‘Transportation and Infrastructure’ subcommittee has the following members.
I think the list is outdated but that’s the senate for you, they take their time with everything.
Christopher S. Bond, Missouri, Chairman
John W. Warner, Virginia
George V. Voinovich, Ohio
Lincoln Chafee, Rhode Island
Lisa Murkowski, Alaska
John Thune, South Dakota
Max Baucus, Montana
Joseph I. Lieberman, Connecticut
Barbara Boxer, California
Thomas R. Carper, Delaware
Hillary Rodham Clinton, New York
House – See below for the subcommittee list
Here is the link to their site - http://transportation.house.gov/
Here is the link to the subcommittee that has oversight for the FMCSA (they are at the bottom of the post)
http://republicans.transportation.house.gov/subcommittees/Highways.aspx
Here is link to the house’s website – http://www.house.gov
Here is a list of the members of the the transportation committee;
Nick J. Rahall, II, West Virginia
Peter A. DeFazio, Oregon
Jerry F. Costello, Illinois
Eleanor Holmes Norton, District of Columbia
Jerrold Nadler, New York
Corrine Brown, Florida
Bob Filner, California
Eddie Bernice Johnson, Texas
Gene Taylor, Mississippi
Elijah E. Cummings, Maryland
Ellen O. Tauscher, California
Leonard L. Boswell, Iowa
Tim Holden, Pennsylvania
Brian Baird, Washington
Rick Larsen, Washington
Michael E. Capuano, Massachusetts
Julia Carson, Indiana
Timothy H. Bishop, New York
Michael H. Michaud, Maine
Brian Higgins, New York
Russ Carnahan, Missouri
John T. Salazar, Colorado
Grace F. Napolitano, California
Daniel Lipinski, Illinois
Doris O. Matsui, California
Nick Lampson, Texas
Zachary T. Space, Ohio
Mazie K. Hirono, Hawaii
Bruce L. Braley, Iowa
Jason Altmire, Pennsylvania
Timothy J. Walz, Minnesota
Heath Shuler, North Carolina
Michael A. Arcuri, New York
Harry E. Mitchell, Arizona
Christopher P. Carney, Pennsylvania
John J. Hall, New York
Steve Kagen, Wisconsin
Steve Cohen, Tennessee
Jerry McNerney, California
Laura Richardson, California
John L. Mica, FloridaDon Young, Alaska
Thomas E. Petri, Wisconsin
Howard Coble, North Carolina
John J. Duncan, Jr., Tennessee
Wayne T. Gilchrest, Maryland
Vernon J. Ehlers, Michigan
Steven C. LaTourette, Ohio
Richard H. Baker, Louisiana
Frank A. LoBiondo, New Jersey
Jerry Moran, Kansas
Gary G. Miller, California
Robin Hayes, North Carolina
Henry E. Brown Jr., South Carolina
Timothy V. Johnson, Illinois
Todd Russell Platts, Pennsylvania
Sam Graves, Missouri
Bill Shuster, Pennsylvania
John Boozman, Arkansas
Jim Gerlach, Pennsylvania
Shelley Moore Capito, West Virginia
Mario Diaz-Balart, Florida
Charles W. Dent, Pennsylvania
Ted Poe, Texas
David G. Reichert, Washington
Connie Mack, Florida
John R. “Randy†Kuhl Jr., New York
Lynn A. Westmoreland, Georgia
Charles W. Boustany Jr., Louisiana
Jean Schmidt, Ohio
Candice S. Miller, Michigan
Thelma D. Drake, Virginia
Mary Fallin, Oklahoma
Vern Buchanan, Florida
Subcommittee on Highways and Transit Committee on Transportation and Infrastructure
John J. Duncan, Jr., TN
Don Young, AK
Thomas E. Petri, WI
Howard Coble, NC
Richard H. Baker, LA
Gary G. Miller, CA
Robin Hayes, NC
Henry E. Brown, Jr., SC
Timothy V. Johnson, IL
Todd Russell Platts, PA
John Boozman, AR
Shelley Moore Capito, WV
Jim Gerlach, PA
Mario Diaz-Balart, FL
Charles W. Dent, PA
Ted Poe, TX
David G. Reichert, WA
Charles W. Boustany, Jr., LA
Jean Schmidt, OH
Candice S. Miller, MI
Thelma D. Drake, VA
Mary Fallin, OK
Vern Buchanan, FL
John L. Mica, FL (ex officio)