Honest / Dishonest fleet Owners

Streakn1

Veteran Expediter
When we first decided to get into expediting three years ago we wanted to try it out first in someone elses truck before we invested in our own. We were given a few names of fleet owners in our area by the recruiter to contact.We narrowed it down to one that seemed to be a christian based business and trustworthy (or so we thought).

We made numerous calls and had a face to face meeting with these owners before deciding to drive for them. We were up front with our intentions to try it out first in their truck before buying our own. This seemed at the time fine with them,plus they indicated they had trucks they would sell to us when the time came.

We worked hard and never gave these owners a problem from day one.Then when we turned down an offer to buy one of their trucks the relationship immediately went south on their part.Honestly, their terms on this purchase were way out of line and we weren't about to become financial fools.

Our Owner/Driver contract had two important stipulations in it:
1. Owner is to send driver(s) settlement out by the 10th of each month for the previous months earnings.
2.Owner/Driver(s) are required to give 14-days notice of termination of contract.
Once we located and purchased the truck we now drive we gave our 14-day notice buy phone and letter as required.

We were asked if we planned to run for the 14 days or were we going home.Appearantly, they had some past teams go home once they gave notice.They did not want the truck parked in our driveway not making revenue (understandably so).We agreed to stay out as long as possible with the understanding we would have to go home and clean out the truck and pick up our personal vehicle to return home in.

We were due to turn their truck in on the 4th and about four days out were offered a load to Ca. that paid almost $4000. We discussed this with the owners and told them we would be willing to deadhead back since we were paying for all of the fuel.They did not want us to deadhead and told us not to worry about being back by the 4th. Instead we were told to work our way back under loads as they did not have drivers lined up yet to go in the truck some it didn't matter if we were late.We delivered the last load late on the 5th and were left with 500 miles to their home. On the 6th per our contract we completely cleaned the inside, washed the outside and had the oil changed which took all day. We even rented a vehicle (not by choice) since they would not let us go home as needed. We turned the truck in that evening of which the owners were'nt even there to take delivery.

When my wife called to tell them the truck was being delivered that evening she was told it would be at least 2-3 weeks before our settlement would be sent out and it would only be one check. Furthermore,we were told there would be a late return charge taken from our settlement even though their contract had no provisions for it.This was in direct violation of the contract as they owned us settlement payment on a $22,000 month within 4-days The only monies they could legally withhold was the current month according to our attorney.We filed suit and took them to court. Their were two hearings and without going into detail I will tell you we got what we wanted.As for the few hundred dollars they kept, they lost much more in revenue having to come off the road for court dates.

Let this be a lesson learned for all parties involved and anyone in a simular situation.Owners, be careful who you attempt to srew, for some of us its not the court cost and attorneys fees,its a matter of principle, and cost is of no concern!
 

Tennesseahawk

Veteran Expediter
Beware of those portraying themselves as "holy", Christian or otherwise. It's a tactic that good-hearted fools are quickly duped with.

Good to hear you got what was coming, and so did they! ;)
 

x06col

Veteran Expediter
Charter Member
Retired Expediter
US Army
I'd even slam dunk them further, and post their names here. Might help the next folks they give the wrong impression.
 

terryandrene

Veteran Expediter
Safety & Compliance
US Coast Guard
Congrats on the successful follow-thru on your situation. Your experience proves the desirability of a written contract over a hand-shake deal. Concur with the Col.; when the facts are accurate as best you know them to be, names are appropriate so that other members can make informed choices.
 

davekc

Senior Moderator
Staff member
Fleet Owner
It is these kind of owners that give a black eye to the decent ones. Cloaking their honesty in religion is another irritant.
This is where the value of experience and reputation come in.
It doesn't mean people don't part for whatever reasons, but it should be on amicable terms.
If it went to court, it should be a matter of public record. I say post their name with the facts.




Davekc
owner
21 years
PantherII
EO moderator
 

tec1959

Expert Expediter
Amen i agree with Terry and Dave,Its about time O/O's and Drivers are held to the fire for the things that they do.Its a 2 way street and i myself as a driver for O/O's that was recommented by a company and still continue to rip off the drivers as i have lost THOUSANDS of $$$$ for just doing my job,And the drivers that rip off and tear up the equiptment that a O/O gives to drive...
 

ATeam

Senior Member
Retired Expediter
Its great that you told your story, and sad that you had it to tell. If the fleet owner is good, the driver/owner relationship can be a great thing for people just getting started in the industry, for those who don't want to own a truck, and for those who are getting back on their feet after a setback of one sort or another. But everyone in the industry loses when a fleet owner turns out to be a bad apple.

You did drivers proud when you stood up for your rights under your contract. I'd be intrested in reading the case if it became an item of public record.
 

DocRushing

Expert Expediter
Streakn1:
Congratulations on your victory!
I too encourage you to post the names of the owners --
especially since your suit is now a matter of public record.
Your doing so will allow others to know whom to avoid.
I have little patience with scofflaws who mistreat others
because they assume that they can get by with doing so.
Best wishes,
Doc.
 

Streakn1

Veteran Expediter
As Docrushing stated the case is a matter of Public Record. I've not requested copies from the courthouse so I'm not sure of how detailed they are, I would assume quite.

Many of you know these fleet owners as they've been around a long time.They come across as very friendly people to chat with. As one reference told us as we were checking them out, he knew them on a friendly basis only, but could not vouch for them in a business relationship.The company they are leased to only gives names and numbers,not character references.I did go online after the fact and checked Public Records pertaining to these people and found they've been involve in lawsuits in at least one other state.

In wanting to comply with the rules of posting on the EO Forum and considering possible legal repercussions from these owners I would prefer to seek legal advice before posting their names as much as I would like to. I'm sure all would understand.
 

ATeam

Senior Member
Retired Expediter
I understand your concerns. As I said, I'd be interested in reading the case. Would you be so kind as to provide to me privately the name of the Court, the date(s) of the case, and the case number(s)? That gives me the ability to dig up the public-record documentation on my own and be fully responsible for anything I may do or do not do with it.
 

davekc

Senior Moderator
Staff member
Fleet Owner
Mentioning a town or state ect. would give some a heads up.
Just a thought.



Davekc
owner
21 years
PantherII
EO moderator
 
Top