Hey Leo
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The truck is running well. Mileage is running around 8.3 right now with 8k on it. I'll be glad to get it broken in and running summer fuel to get the mileage into the 9's. It has been a little slow but it's that time of year. I'm still learning where to be and not to be. So far I'm making over $1.65 a mile so the runs I'm making are paying pretty well. I just got a liftgate put on it and one extra benefit is shifting weight off the front axle. I'm going to order a pallet jack pretty soon so it should be waiting for me next time home. I figure it's going to take me a few months to really learn the system and good spots but I figured that going in so things seem to be on track. I'll post pictures of the truck whenever the forum accepts jpg's again.
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With every last ounce of fuel crammed in it's 12,040 front and 16,800 rear. My front is rated 12,350 and I also should get the APU weight exemption.
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Yeah, I should have done a T600 probably but went with what I wanted. A T600 would have a better weight distribution as well as tighter turning circle. I'm happy with what I have though. I probably won't start a new one for at least a few more weeks. :+
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The Gibster
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OK Leo, I'll bite . . what's the APU weight exemption all about? I've got a pretty good grasp of all the pro's/con's of our generator, and our's is heavy - about 450 (+-) pounds.
We can still haul over 10,000 (all I want to), but a little more wiggle room would put our mind at ease.
The Gibster
We can still haul over 10,000 (all I want to), but a little more wiggle room would put our mind at ease.
The Gibster
According to the DOT you can subtract the actual weight of the APU, up to 400 pounds max, from your scaled weight. I don't have the section number in front of me but basically if your truck is a 33,000 truck it can now be a 33,400 max truck, unless of course the APU only weighs 311 pounds or something less than 400. Since yours is 450 or so you would be limited to the 400 exemption.
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greg334
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Leo
I need to correct you; I will try to be tactful.
There seems to be this rumor going around. I personally think it has been started by one of the APU manufactures to sell more units.
I talked to someone I know about this issue last year (seeing I heard this last year and rnning on a tight wieght margin) and she said it is simple - read your Manufacture’s vehicle specifications sticker, that is the only number that anyone goes by.
There is no exceptions for being over the truck limit, period.
For example if your truck is rated at 33,000 GVW and you have a 10,000 payload capacity but add 400 lbs of APU onboard, you now have a 9600 lb payload capacity. Many LEOs don’t care what you added to the truck; the issue for them is that the sticker on your cab says 33,000 lbs GVW not 33,400 lbs and this is considered over weight.
I need to correct you; I will try to be tactful.
There seems to be this rumor going around. I personally think it has been started by one of the APU manufactures to sell more units.
I talked to someone I know about this issue last year (seeing I heard this last year and rnning on a tight wieght margin) and she said it is simple - read your Manufacture’s vehicle specifications sticker, that is the only number that anyone goes by.
There is no exceptions for being over the truck limit, period.
For example if your truck is rated at 33,000 GVW and you have a 10,000 payload capacity but add 400 lbs of APU onboard, you now have a 9600 lb payload capacity. Many LEOs don’t care what you added to the truck; the issue for them is that the sticker on your cab says 33,000 lbs GVW not 33,400 lbs and this is considered over weight.
Broompilot
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Does that go for the axle weight as well, my truck is rated at 12,000 steers and 21,000 rears and as far as I know Tennessee and Virginia, you better not cross a scale one pound over per axle, well I take that back I believe VA only cares about 20K on rears but Tennessee looks at the steers. If you have had a different expierence please post. Leo watch out in Arkansas as they even had an article in E Now or somewhere about busting everyone on all axles. Your over according to DOT regulations but I am willing to be proved wrong if I am.
Funny I am legal on the door sticker for 21K on my rears but I had better not go over 20K, so how does a company like F^&*(( tell me in class that this truck is OK for 33total truck and payload but a DOT weight station will write me a ticket, than they disclassify my truck to a C instead of D pocketing all the difference over the life if I chose to run for F&&**(((). BIG BUSINESS screwing the little guy again??? My company thank goodness cares less get and go we pay you the same. Small company = someone at the top making decisions with the company and drivers at equal intrest, wow what a concept that just might work for both parties. Happy you bet, fair even better.
Funny I am legal on the door sticker for 21K on my rears but I had better not go over 20K, so how does a company like F^&*(( tell me in class that this truck is OK for 33total truck and payload but a DOT weight station will write me a ticket, than they disclassify my truck to a C instead of D pocketing all the difference over the life if I chose to run for F&&**(((). BIG BUSINESS screwing the little guy again??? My company thank goodness cares less get and go we pay you the same. Small company = someone at the top making decisions with the company and drivers at equal intrest, wow what a concept that just might work for both parties. Happy you bet, fair even better.
I could be mistaken however I don't believe I am. It's part of The Energy Policy Act of 2005 signed by President Bush on August 8, 2005 and says trucks equipped with anti-idle technology are allowed an increased gross vehicle weight of up to 400 pounds. I don't have the copy of the Act available but will work on getting it to confirm or to retract if I can't eventually get it.
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Hope this helps, courtesy of Land Line:
Energy Bill allows 400-pound exemption for APUs
By Aaron Ladage
staff writer
Nestled deep within the massive $12.3 billion federal Energy Bill is a little-known provision that makes carrying and using an APU less of a hassle.
Under Section 756 of the Energy Bill – which President Bush signed into law Aug. 8, 2005 – is the “Idle Reduction and Energy Conservation Deployment Program.†The program helps truckers get alternative power sources into their trucks “to promote reduction of fuel use and emissions because of engine idling.â€
The program modifies the U.S. Code by increasing a vehicle’s maximum gross vehicle weight and axle weight limit by 400 pounds. This added weight limit is specifically designated for the addition of idle-reduction technology, such as auxiliary power units.
The new rule – which is already in effect – has two requirements that drivers must meet if they are questioned by a law enforcement or regulatory officer. The first requirement requires the driver to prove that the unit is in working condition. The second requirement is that the driver must also be able to prove that the additional 400 pounds of weight is only being used for the added APU device.
According to Rick Craig, vice president of regulatory affairs for the Owner-Operator Independent Drivers Association, the provision does not specify a start date, and does not require any appropriations for funding, which means it automatically went into effect when the president signed the Energy Bill into law.
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Energy Bill allows 400-pound exemption for APUs
By Aaron Ladage
staff writer
Nestled deep within the massive $12.3 billion federal Energy Bill is a little-known provision that makes carrying and using an APU less of a hassle.
Under Section 756 of the Energy Bill – which President Bush signed into law Aug. 8, 2005 – is the “Idle Reduction and Energy Conservation Deployment Program.†The program helps truckers get alternative power sources into their trucks “to promote reduction of fuel use and emissions because of engine idling.â€
The program modifies the U.S. Code by increasing a vehicle’s maximum gross vehicle weight and axle weight limit by 400 pounds. This added weight limit is specifically designated for the addition of idle-reduction technology, such as auxiliary power units.
The new rule – which is already in effect – has two requirements that drivers must meet if they are questioned by a law enforcement or regulatory officer. The first requirement requires the driver to prove that the unit is in working condition. The second requirement is that the driver must also be able to prove that the additional 400 pounds of weight is only being used for the added APU device.
According to Rick Craig, vice president of regulatory affairs for the Owner-Operator Independent Drivers Association, the provision does not specify a start date, and does not require any appropriations for funding, which means it automatically went into effect when the president signed the Energy Bill into law.
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greg334
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>I could be mistaken however I don't believe I am. It's part
>of The Energy Policy Act of 2005 signed by President Bush on
>August 8, 2005 and says trucks equipped with anti-idle
>technology are allowed an increased gross vehicle weight of
>up to 400 pounds. I don't have the copy of the Act available
>but will work on getting it to confirm or to retract if I
>can't eventually get it.
I stand corrected and found what you are refering to;
Sec. 756. Reduction of engine idling.
(c) VEHICLE WEIGHT EXEMPTION.—Section 127(a) of title 23,
United States Code, is amended—
(1) by designating the first through eleventh sentences
as paragraphs (1) through (11), respectively; and
(2) by adding at the end the following:
‘‘(12) HEAVY DUTY VEHICLES.—
‘‘(A) IN GENERAL.—Subject to subparagraphs (B) and
(C), in order to promote reduction of fuel use and emissions
because of engine idling, the maximum gross vehicle weight
limit and the axle weight limit for any heavy-duty vehicle
equipped with an idle reduction technology shall be
increased by a quantity necessary to compensate for the
additional weight of the idle reduction system.
‘‘(B) MAXIMUM WEIGHT INCREASE.—The weight increase
under subparagraph (A) shall be not greater than 400
pounds.
‘‘(C) PROOF.—On request by a regulatory agency or
law enforcement agency, the vehicle operator shall provide
proof (through demonstration or certification) that—
‘‘(i) the idle reduction technology is fully functional
at all times; and
‘‘(ii) the 400-pound gross weight increase is not
used for any purpose other than the use of idle reduction
technology described in subparagraph (A).’’.
but I think that common sense and gorss ratings of componets still apply.
>of The Energy Policy Act of 2005 signed by President Bush on
>August 8, 2005 and says trucks equipped with anti-idle
>technology are allowed an increased gross vehicle weight of
>up to 400 pounds. I don't have the copy of the Act available
>but will work on getting it to confirm or to retract if I
>can't eventually get it.
I stand corrected and found what you are refering to;
Sec. 756. Reduction of engine idling.
(c) VEHICLE WEIGHT EXEMPTION.—Section 127(a) of title 23,
United States Code, is amended—
(1) by designating the first through eleventh sentences
as paragraphs (1) through (11), respectively; and
(2) by adding at the end the following:
‘‘(12) HEAVY DUTY VEHICLES.—
‘‘(A) IN GENERAL.—Subject to subparagraphs (B) and
(C), in order to promote reduction of fuel use and emissions
because of engine idling, the maximum gross vehicle weight
limit and the axle weight limit for any heavy-duty vehicle
equipped with an idle reduction technology shall be
increased by a quantity necessary to compensate for the
additional weight of the idle reduction system.
‘‘(B) MAXIMUM WEIGHT INCREASE.—The weight increase
under subparagraph (A) shall be not greater than 400
pounds.
‘‘(C) PROOF.—On request by a regulatory agency or
law enforcement agency, the vehicle operator shall provide
proof (through demonstration or certification) that—
‘‘(i) the idle reduction technology is fully functional
at all times; and
‘‘(ii) the 400-pound gross weight increase is not
used for any purpose other than the use of idle reduction
technology described in subparagraph (A).’’.
but I think that common sense and gorss ratings of componets still apply.
G
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As Broom noted, 33,000 gvw don't mean diddly, since most (but not all) states limit the axle with duals to 20,000#. It's not just some states that enforce this either--a lot of them do.
My truck has a 21,000# rear axle, but when I had 20,600 on the scales it was a problem.
These trucks are really 32,000# trucks for all intents and purposes. Don't find this out the hard way.
Check the front of your motor carrier atlas for a chart with the axle weight limits by state.
My truck has a 21,000# rear axle, but when I had 20,600 on the scales it was a problem.
These trucks are really 32,000# trucks for all intents and purposes. Don't find this out the hard way.
Check the front of your motor carrier atlas for a chart with the axle weight limits by state.
Broompilot
Veteran Expediter
Exactly Mike, I was discussing this with another driver in Indpls when I had 20,450 on the rears and 12,010 on my steers with half a tank of fuel. He highly advised me to go around the scales and also told me which ones he felt would be opened (he was right on everyone) IN all closed, one in KY opened and one in TN open until midnight.
Do not like breaking the law, but I felt I was in the right according to the door sticker. I now know better just feel I am being stung.
So now according to the Posts was over by only 60lbs total and given the 200 lbs variance that is suppost to given at scale houses I was actually legal. Do not care to have this conversation with a DOT official with a ticket book in his hand if you get my drift.
Do not like breaking the law, but I felt I was in the right according to the door sticker. I now know better just feel I am being stung.
So now according to the Posts was over by only 60lbs total and given the 200 lbs variance that is suppost to given at scale houses I was actually legal. Do not care to have this conversation with a DOT official with a ticket book in his hand if you get my drift.