Here is a real wake-up call

jimby82

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Financial Bailout Support Could Reach $23.7 Trillion.

Funny how $700 billion turns into $23.7 trillion. Maybe this will finally wake up some of our fine "public servants" in Washington. Doubt it.

And how would you like to pay for that sir? Will that be cash, check, credit card, your children's futures?


The total price tag for federal support stemming from the financial crisis could reach $23.7 trillion in the long run, the government's top bailout watchdog says in a new report to Congress.

Neil Barofsky, the inspector general for the Troubled Asset Relief Program, plans to deliver his report Tuesday to the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee.

The $23.7 trillion figure is admittedly a high-ball number and reflects the total potential gross exposure, but Barofsky in his prepared testimony notes that the TARP -- which started as a $700 billion bailout -- has expanded well beyond that.

"TARP has evolved into a program of unprecedented scope, scale and complexity. Moreover, TARP does not function in a vacuum but is rather part of the broader government efforts to stabilize the financial system," the report says.

"The total potential federal government support could reach up to $23.7 trillion," the report estimates, factoring in commitments from "dozens of programs" implemented throughout the federal government since 2007.

In supporting documentation obtained by FOXNews.com, the inspector general's office explains that the $23.7 trillion spans about 50 "initiatives or programs" created by federal agencies in the wake of the economic crisis.

The estimate covers commitments that could come from programs at the Federal Reserve, Treasury Department, Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation, the Federal Housing Finance Agency, the Federal Housing Administration, the Department of Veterans Affairs and other agencies.

It notes that the total "financial exposure" of TARP and related programs alone could reach $3 trillion.

While not a firm or official figure, the estimate has the potential to send lawmakers into sticker shock.

"The potential financial commitment the American taxpayers could be responsible for is of a size and scope that isn't even imaginable," Rep. Darrell Issa, ranking Republican on the oversight committee, said in a written statement. "If you spent a million dollars a day going back to the birth of Christ, that wouldn't even come close to just $1 trillion -- $23.7 trillion is a staggering figure."

In the report, Barofsky also says that the Treasury Department has "repeatedly failed" to adopt recommendations that his office believes will bring more transparency and accountability to the execution of the bailout.
 

greg334

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Really?

I said the cost of all the unfunded stuff will push our debt past the 60 trillion mark and guess what... it has.....

With what we owe in unfunded entitlements and these bailouts/stimulus packages, the cost to the American tax payer, or should I say our great great grandchildren will be higher than it ever was.

Obama is betting on what used to be a very near fact that the economy can sustain itself and expand. Without hard assets within the country, meaning manufacturing and other stuff like it, we can not expand the economy like we did in the 40's - it is impossible to go from a peace economy to a war economy in this country now. It is a solid fact that FDR needed a war, he wanted a war, he setup us to have a war and some even say he secretly funded the germans and helped the japanese to expand so we can go to war because what ever it is that he thought would worked, failed then and it still fails today under Obama's leadership.
 

chefdennis

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One of the problems is, barry won...and he isn't going to let you forget that....and the majority of those that supported him really don't care about the kids, let alone the grandkids...all they acre about is what the government can do for them today....

i know it was a woman, but not sure who and i really don't feel like looking, but she said, to pharphase, socialism will always fail, when the socialist run out of "other peoples money to spend"....but she never figured on barry and tim just printing more...........yea we will be payin for this for more yrs then we care to admit....but then again only the rich will get the tax increase........
 

greg334

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Chef,
You know that many of the liberal (progressive) people like to go to war more than the conservatives/libertarian type of people?

You know that more likely than not, a liberal (progressive) person has the same personality traits as one of them Nazi's that they claim others to be?

You know that every real technological gain in our country's history was not done in the last half of our last century but between 1850 and 1914?

It is funny to know that we have been at war under all these democratic administrations because that is how their mind set works, they have to fight something all the time to gain power and expand their egos.

It is sad to know that we will never be able to return to a great nation without cleaning house and that starts with people who want to progress in their lives on their own, not by handouts.
 

chefdennis

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Greg you are exactly right...from Wilson the real progressive to FDR to Truman to Kennedy/Nixon it would seem that most of our modern wars were brought to us by dems! Then we have the little stuff over the yrs and then bush brought us iraq.....but economic conditions for Wilson and FDR were such that a sagging or already bad economy was the impetus for the war..and both were progressives /socialist/dems...

I am not letting republicans off the hook for their share of crap, but entitlement feel good control the people through making them depended on the government has always been a dem way of doing things...barry is no different...


So greg with this in mind, what do you think will be barry's, "Reichstag Moment" ??? I mean if you look real close at the stimuliarites between those 2, and how that was the tipping point, we haeded for one, but what will it be?? The collapse of the economy? Israel-iran war? russian/chinese military partenership(already happening by the way)?? We don't need an invasion to start , just something of a huge magnitude...personally i think it will be the economy...how about you? Or Joe, Ken, Turtle, or anyone else? What are your thoughts??
 

layoutshooter

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Let's see, if it is the economy he will maybe declare martial law to maintain peace and control panic. If it is NOT the economy it will be a "home grown" terrorist attack. Real or "manufactured".
 

OntarioVanMan

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There is always hope that the health care bill won't go thru before the break....the senators and reps go home a take a crap beating with their constituents...that could slow Barry down..and with the 2010 elections soon...the threat of losing the majority in both houses will be real...
 

layoutshooter

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Call you senators and reps and make it CLEAR that IF they vote FOR this boondogle that you WILL be voting AGAINST them the next time they come up for re-election.
 

chefdennis

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Those are my exact thoughts layout!!! the economy collapses, the people run on the banks, he declares martial law and then it all comes tumbling down when they try and go after the peoples weapons... one of the things i believe is he wants to be president for life, he is creating as situation to bring the his adoring people to his side, just like those in germany....(look at how he keeps"campaigning for everything he wants done, he has never left the campaign trail and he is getting more face time from the networks and media that any other president...

The other thing is as you said, he will manufacture a "home grown terrorist moment" and again declare martial law...in either case it will be started on his and rahms order.....
 

layoutshooter

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Not president for life, more like "Supreme Ruler" or the new lord our god. President is NOT high enough office for that sick ego!! :eek:
 

OntarioVanMan

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some heavyweights report in tomorrow

Caterpiller, Coca-Cola , DuPont , Merck and United Technologies all will report before Tuesday's opening bell.

Caterpillar, was upgraded to buy by Bank of America-Merrill Lynch, even though the company claimed second-quarter results from the construction-equipment maker should be weak. The stock ended with a gain of $2.66, or 7.8%.

With Caterpillar set to report earnings early Tuesday, it will be curious to see if this is another case of buy the rumor, sell the news. When it last reported quarterly results, Caterpillar slashed its guidance for 2009 to $1.25 a share. Currently, the Thomson Reuters average estimate sits at $1.03 a share, indicating Caterpillar may have more cutting to do.
 

chefdennis

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AHHH Ken what do most if not all of those companies have in common?? They have cut employess....of course they have more cash, they aren't paying wages, healthcare cost and all of the other expenses that go along with keeping people employed...the market is NOT and indicator of strengthening economy....look at the price of GM the day the announced they were going to file bk....it went up....the banks annonce great profits, then 2 weeks later BofA is about to be taken over by te gov.....its all crap to make the people think its all getting better....tell the almost 10% of unemployed americans how good it is......the the employed 69,000 PA state employees that didn't get paid and the retireies for the same state gov whos pention funds didn't get their deposits how great it is.......or maybe the USPS workers..yea barry will bail them out, their union supported him, but it was announced today that ALL POSTAL "CONTRACT" EMPLOYEES are having their hours cut to 32 hours a week, a stop gap because they are running out of money....

Yea those market figures look good, but look behind them and see where the profits came from, it wasn't sales or investment returns, they were internal restructuring of debt and cash that isn't going out......
 

OntarioVanMan

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AHHH Ken what do most if not all of those companies have in common?? They have cut employess....of course they have more cash, they aren't paying wages, healthcare cost and all of the other expenses that go along with keeping people employed...the market is NOT and indicator of strengthening economy....look at the price of GM the day the announced they were going to file bk....it went up....the banks annonce great profits, then 2 weeks later BofA is about to be taken over by te gov.....its all crap to make the people think its all getting better....tell the almost 10% of unemployed americans how good it is......the the employed 69,000 PA state employees that didn't get paid and the retireies for the same state gov whos pention funds didn't get their deposits how great it is.......or maybe the USPS workers..yea barry will bail them out, their union supported him, but it was announced today that ALL POSTAL "CONTRACT" EMPLOYEES are having their hours cut to 32 hours a week, a stop gap because they are running out of money....

Yea those market figures look good, but look behind them and see where the profits came from, it wasn't sales or investment returns, they were internal restructuring of debt and cash that isn't going out......

And that in the end is a good thing...restructuring to go forward....they must have cash to survive....

The post office knew YEARS ago they had to make cuts and did not...6 day mail and twice a day is alittle much in these electronic times...
 

chefdennis

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yea screw them 10% unemployed who paid taxes that barry will need and that is down almost 30% what 10-15% unemployment as long as the company can survive at th cost of the employees....and what happen to the day barry stood at the cat plant and announced to the country that because of the stimulus, cat would be calling back all of their employees and even adding jobs!?!?!? kind of makes yea go hmmmmm.....
 

layoutshooter

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Barry? Tell the truth? Care about the working man? Yeah, right!! All those who buy that one come see me, I have a nice ocean side desart to sell in New Hampshire. :eek:
 

chefdennis

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Oh, OVM, it is also 1 time profit for this reporting period, it will disappear in the next reporting period because the restructuring is done, but the savings on the laidoff works will remain....just a paper chase and manipulation of the reports to show B/S to the markets and show the people that everything is all ok...nothing to worry about, except for the 10% that is laid off....and barrys programs are fixing it for them...thats why foreclosures are up....but the stimulus..opps, i mean recovery act is working just as they planned...

And everything is soo good that the WH is delaying the release of the budget update that for years has been released and was set to release this month...not anymore..maybe in mid aug....think it is a bit bad and barry and timmy don't want the people to know until after the healthcare issue is either voted on or everyone goes home for recess in aug!?!?

White House putting off release of budget update

Jul 20, 6:20 AM (ET)

By TOM RAUM

WASHINGTON (AP) - The White House is being forced to acknowledge the wide gap between its once-upbeat predictions about the economy and today's bleak landscape.

The administration's annual midsummer budget update is sure to show higher deficits and unemployment and slower growth than projected in President Barack Obama's budget in February and update in May, and that could complicate his efforts to get his signature health care and global-warming proposals through Congress.

The release of the update - usually scheduled for mid-July - has been put off until the middle of next month, giving rise to speculation the White House is delaying the bad news at least until Congress leaves town on its August 7 summer recess.

The administration is pressing for votes before then on its $1 trillion health care initiative, which lawmakers are arguing over how to finance.

The White House budget director, Peter Orszag, said on Sunday that the administration believes the "chances are high" of getting a health care bill by then. But new analyses showing runaway costs are jeopardizing Senate passage.

"Instead of a dream, this routine report could be a nightmare," Tony Fratto, a former Treasury Department official and White House spokesman under President George W. Bush, said of the delayed budget update. "There are some things that can't be escaped."

The administration earlier this year predicted that unemployment would peak at about 9 percent without a big stimulus package and 8 percent with one. Congress did pass a $787 billion two-year stimulus measure, yet unemployment soared to 9.5 percent in June and appears headed for double digits.

Obama's current forecast anticipates 3.2 percent growth next year, then 4 percent or higher growth from 2011 to 2013. Private forecasts are less optimistic, especially for next year.

Any downward revision in growth or revenue projections would mean that budget deficits would be far higher than the administration is now suggesting.

Setting the stage for bleaker projections, Vice President Joe Biden recently conceded, "We misread how bad the economy was" in January. Obama modified that by suggesting the White House had "incomplete" information.

The new budget update comes as the public and members of Congress are becoming increasingly anxious over Obama's economic policies.

A Washington Post-ABC News survey released Monday shows approval of Obama's handling of health-care reform slipping below 50 percent for the first time. The poll also found support eroding on how Obama is dealing with other issues that are important to Americans right now - the economy, unemployment and the swelling budget deficit.

The Democratic-controlled Congress is reeling from last week's testimony by the head of the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office, Douglas Elmendorf, that the main health care proposals Congress is considering would not reduce costs - as Obama has insisted - but "significantly expand" the federal financial responsibility for health care.

That gave ammunition to Republican critics of the bill.

Late last week, Obama vowed anew that "health insurance reform cannot add to our deficit over the next decade and I mean it."

The nation's debt - the total of accumulated annual budget deficits - now stands at $11.6 trillion. In the scheme of things, that's more important than talking about the "deficit," which only looks at a one-year slice of bookkeeping and totally ignores previous indebtedness that is still outstanding.

Even so, the administration has projected that the annual deficit for the current budget year will hit $1.84 trillion, four times the size of last year's deficit of $455 billion. Private forecasters suggest that shortfall may actually top $2 trillion.

The administration has projected that the annual deficit for the current budget year will hit $1.84 trillion, four times the size of last year's deficit of $455 billion. Private forecasters suggest that shortfall may top $2 trillion.

If a higher deficit and lower growth numbers are not part of the administration's budget update, that will lead to charges that the White House is manipulating its figures to offer too rosy an outlook - the same criticism leveled at previous administrations.

The midsession review by the White House's Office of Management and Budget will likely reflect weaker numbers. But where is it?

White House officials say it is now expected in mid-August. They blame the delay on the fact that this is a transition year between presidencies and note that Obama didn't release his full budget until early May - instead of the first week in February, when he put out just an outline.

Still, the update mainly involves plugging in changes in economic indicators, not revising program-by-program details. And indicators such as unemployment and gross domestic product changes have been public knowledge for some time.

Standard & Poor's chief economist David Wyss said part of the problem with the administration's earlier numbers is that "they were just stale," essentially put together by budget number-crunchers at the end of last year, before the sharp drop in the economy.

Wyss, like many other economists, says he expects the recession to last at least until September or October. "We're looking for basically a zero second half (of 2009). And then sluggish recovery," he said.

Orszag, making the rounds of Sunday talk shows, insisted the economy at the end of last year, which the White House used for its optimistic budget forecasts, "was weaker at that time than anyone anticipated." He cited a "sense of free fall" not fully recognized at the time.

"It's going to take time to work our way out of it," the White House budget director told "Fox News Sunday."

Even as it prepares to put larger deficit and smaller growth figures into its official forecast, the administration is looking for signs of improvement.

"If we were at the brink of catastrophe at the beginning of the year, we have walked some substantial distance back from the abyss," said Lawrence Summers, Obama's chief economic adviser
 
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chefdennis

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Here you go Ken, the company lays off 260 people or 255 of their employees this morning...they are going to charge off $30-34 million in the 2nd quarter...they will then show a annualized gain of $18-22 million...they admit they may have to sell off other assets at a later time...but there stock goes up the day this happens....and you think the market is any kind of indicator....... yea it is A-OK, nothing here to worry about, barrys plan is working as he wants it to.

Buckeye to cut 260 jobs, or 25 pct of its workers

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BREINIGSVILLE, Pa. (AP) -- Petroleum-pipeline system operator Buckeye Partners LP said Monday it will lay off 260 employees, or about 25 percent, of its staff to help lower its operating costs.

Buckeye said it plans to record total charges of $30 million and $34 million in severance-related and other costs, with the bulk of those expenses to be posted in the second quarter. It expects annualized savings of $18 million to $22 million.

Separately, Buckeye said it has determined that its pipeline system that transports natural-gas liquids from Colorado to Kansas is noncore to its ongoing operations. While it may eventually actively market those assets, Buckeye said that for now it will record a non-cash charge of $65 million to $75 million in the second quarter to write-down those assets to their fair value.

Buckeye Partners L.P. owns and operates one of the largest independent refined petroleum-products pipeline systems in the United States in terms of volumes delivered, with about 5,400 miles of pipeline. It also owns 64 refined petroleum-products terminals, as well as operates and maintains about 2,400 miles of pipeline under agreements with major oil and chemical companies.

Its shares gained 57 cents to $43.72 in midday trading on Monday.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Buckey....html?x=0&.v=1
 
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