hazardous advice please

[Jack_Berry]

buddy of mine called. he is in a sprinter. his company has him on a load with 2200 lbs of class 9(misc). no placards. he went back and forth with his dispatch on the phone about this and finally the shipper gave him a bol with no mention of haz on it.

he has a bulkhead but it is not airtight and he says when he opens the doors in back the odor is very strong. he has the window open to ventilate the cab.

yeah we know if he is caught he is screwed.

is there any company liability in this load? his company usually does not handle haz.


no names to protect the innocent and the guilty.

 

[Fr8 Shaker]

All I know is he should have refused the load, and being screwed isn't the half of it. if caught he may even be facing jail time. then he is screwed. Not to mention putting his health at risk.

 

[Moot]

yeah we know if he is caught he is screwed.

is there any company liability in this load? his company usually does not handle haz.

Everyone is screwed! The driver for taking the load. The carrier if they don't have Hazmat authority, insurance permits etc, etc. The shipper for providing false documents. And the general public who come in contact with this moron.

 

[layoutshooter]

Once he was dumb enough to put it on his truck it is his problem. It is ALWAYS the drivers fault while it is on his truck. Layoutshooter

 

[cheri1122]

I don't give a fig for the driver, but would sure like to know which carrier would knowingly permit a driver to haul hazmat under those circumstances - they need to be avoided, for whatever time they remain in business.

 

[moose]

JB ,you should have refuses to accepts that load !
i have rejected more then a few HM loads in the past ,
its always the same .
get the paperwork , and placard first , make sure you are o.k to go ,know your rout ,get your Haz book on the dash,
and then load the freight into the truck.
you will be amassed how many HM shippers don't know how to placard a truck .
it can become very complicated and confusing ,once you load several non reportable into the same van .
once you leave the shipper - it is you that responsible ,incase of a claim , it will not save the driver butt -but the carrier and shipper will get a visit too.
as stated - the grave has already being diged .
Please let us know how its all ended .



Moose.

 

[Jack_Berry]

deliv made 10 min ago.

cheri, if the driver wants to out the carrier he can. he needs to air out the van.


moose, twasnt me, sir.

 

[moose]

moose, twasnt me, sir.
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jack berry


Sorry , it was the Shrink inside my head talking...
what kind of HM was it ?
How's you van doing ?


Moose.

 

[layoutshooter]

Any damage to the truck? layoutshooter

 

[cheri1122]

cheri, if the driver wants to out the carrier he can. he needs to air out the van.

That the driver took the load says he's more concerned with his income than with what's right - if he's willing to risk it, that's his own affair. And the shipper doesn't matter, because we could make our own call in that situation - but I still think the carrier should be exposed, before more drivers unwittingly find themselves in that position.

 

[layoutshooter]

We have and will turn down, refuse loads that are not right. We cannot be loaded unwittingly. That is why we have taken ourselfs off the list for exlosives loads until we get a better picture of how the regulations read. The ONLY way we could get loaded with illegal hazmat is if the shipper delibertly mis-informs, hides freight etc. We once had to have the CDC change paper work to reflect a small amount of hazmat that they did not disclose. Layoutshooter

 

[Jack_Berry]

Any damage to the truck? layoutshooter

just stinky.

cheri i will call him and let him respond if he would like to add to this thread.

 

[layoutshooter]

Do you know if he looked for any residue? I would recogmend he wash the truck out with a pressure washer or even steam. Layoutshooter

 

[Jack_Berry]

here is more information.

this was originally an airfrt shipment and an airfrt class 9 shipment. an engine with gasoline residue not in volume.

the shipper should have taken the lables off the shipment. the shipper should have not tried to move him off with the airbill showing hazmat.

he learned a lesson. when dispatch says that safety says okay he should talk to that safety person and find out what is what. i am sure then the conversation would have gotten to the labels still on the frt and safety saying to have them removed.

i suggested he go to pilot and get some of those nice pine tree scented hangers and hang them in back.

bad communication from safety to dispatch to the shipper and driver. lesson to learn.

 

[Scuba]

it's simple to me if i am not positive i don't haul it is my carrier wants to colse my contract fine. That cost a lot less than a possible fine and if it is putting fumes in my vehical its not going to stay there untill it can be made safe hazmat or not

 

[DougTravels]

Just wondering if I was duped awhile back. A nameless carrier I ran for got me a load that was class 9 (airbags). We didn't have hazmat endorsements (The carrier or me). They did the same thing , took off all tags and mention of the class on the shipper.

What they told me was that it had been airfreight and was only class 9 hazmat when flying. I'm still not sure if the load was legal or not for a non-hazmat truck.

 

[moparnewt]

No load is worth your health and safety for all those around. He should have refused the load and reported the company for clear violations of the federal hazmat code.

 

[Twizted1]

Doug
Pretty sure airbags are still haz-mat

 

[Twizted1]

Had a shipper top off a dry chemical drum and spill some of its contents all over the skid and shrinked it like that.After hours of discussions with the shipper/dispatch,the wrap was removed and the drums and skid was cleaned up.really wonder if the 2+ loads a year is worth all the extra bs?

 

[moose]

Well , i guess you had 'noff sitting in the corner...
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