Have you seen this?
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Jefferson3000
Expert Expediter
Fedex Freight are contractors just as Fedex CC are. He may have been running a smaller linehaul for the LTL division. Basically, it's just whatever truck the owner brings to the table.
panthervanman
Seasoned Expediter
coco how have u been cubs suck they beat up cardinals
arkjarhead
Veteran Expediter
I thought Freight and National LTL were the company drivers and Ground, CC, and Home Delivery were the ICs? Could be wrong. It wouldn't be the first time. I know I have seen some FedEx Freight Cargo Vans, but I just assumed with fuel being what it is FedEx only sends out however big of a truck they need to do that route that day.
It just adds fuel to the rumour of Ground and surfaceCC merging in the future and just having WG as a standalone special services division......Ground has the same trucks as CC vans Cubes straights...
arkjarhead
Veteran Expediter
Ground also has the tractors pulling doubles. Who knows what is going to happen in the future. I know the only Ground vehicle I see resembling a straight truck are the ones used for local p/d and the delivery trucks similar to the ones UPS uses. Although it is a good story for the rumor mill.
I mean how many people honestly think these big companies are concerened about the ICs well being first? They do what is good for them and if it works out for the IC so be it, and if it doesn't so be it.
I mean how many people honestly think these big companies are concerened about the ICs well being first? They do what is good for them and if it works out for the IC so be it, and if it doesn't so be it.
Surface CC is dying a slow death...why not merge it with ground for a combined service? Ground is capable of doing everything surface can do....
arkjarhead
Veteran Expediter
Exactly. That would benefit the company more than it would the ICs. If they wanted to benefit the Ics they would be out looking for new business. If they are dying a slow death. If what you have been doing is not working it's time to try something else. I have always said you can't keep doing the same thing and hope for different results, but some people just don't get it.
So just where is CC anyways? not on Corporate logos...no ads...not on the stock report of division activity..does it make money? is it losing money? who knows....CC could disappear and the public wouldn 't know it ever existed...Can't make a living on 1 or 2 loads a week unless they are high mileage loads....seems only WG is doing better....
And the rates surface is offering O/O's are terrible...every trip nearly is negotiated. I have sufficient sources for my opinions.
And the rates surface is offering O/O's are terrible...every trip nearly is negotiated. I have sufficient sources for my opinions.
greg334
Veteran Expediter
Coco, Saw something like it a while ago in Memphis. I know that the supply chain people have a different looking logos... who works for supply chain here?
OVM,
Ground -> express
CC/WG -> freight/supply chain respectively
CC not doing well?
I heard somewhere from the premiere WG team that there is so much business that they are turning down a lot of loads, so many loads that they are getting tired of answering the phone.
Someone in Surface mentioned that same thing, the new dispatching system is working so well that they are running and running and running - making them big bucks.
Reality is.... well... that is something that you just have to experience first hand.
Oh and if I sound sarcastic, I am.... I just got off the phone with one of the former E-1 straight truck people who went to FedEx, made great money until... well the same time I started to have problems. He decided to throw in the towel, trading up his simple 600 and getting a "real truck for once". I would find it really hard to believe that he 'failed' due to not knowing how to handle finances or not being able to learn it but seems to be a problem with the lower rates he gets. Can't make it with a $1.05 a mile.
OVM,
Ground -> express
CC/WG -> freight/supply chain respectively
CC not doing well?
I heard somewhere from the premiere WG team that there is so much business that they are turning down a lot of loads, so many loads that they are getting tired of answering the phone.
Someone in Surface mentioned that same thing, the new dispatching system is working so well that they are running and running and running - making them big bucks.
Reality is.... well... that is something that you just have to experience first hand.
Oh and if I sound sarcastic, I am.... I just got off the phone with one of the former E-1 straight truck people who went to FedEx, made great money until... well the same time I started to have problems. He decided to throw in the towel, trading up his simple 600 and getting a "real truck for once". I would find it really hard to believe that he 'failed' due to not knowing how to handle finances or not being able to learn it but seems to be a problem with the lower rates he gets. Can't make it with a $1.05 a mile.
Jefferson3000
Expert Expediter
Wouldn't say that CC Surface is dying at all. All expedite is facing a possible economic starvation. You just have to continue to make yourself relevant to survive. ICs who have a list of "I don't do this, I won't go here" will continue to choke themselves out of existence. Same with carriers who do that.
Maybe dying a slow death is abit extreme....how about in transistion? Load offers for C at a 1.00 - 1.20 isn't going to cut it....and not able to "squeeze" the log book at that.
arkjarhead
Veteran Expediter
I don't know because I'm no longer on the road, but it seems from what I read it's a whole new ball game all the way around. Regardless of who you are leased to. Bottom line everyone wants something for nothing, and to make matters worse there are people out there that will give it to them. Not to long ago I heard someone say they took a load in a d-unit for a flat rate of 80 cents per mile. No fsc, no dh, nothing. That's crazy. It was an expedite load. Their excuse was it go them to a better area and beat dhing. Well thanks for cutting yours and everyone else in the industry's throat.
Load offers for C at 1.00 to 1.20 not going to cut it. Have you checked Panther, Tri-state, or E1, there rates for a C or D are all between 1.10 to 1.20. And how about there van rates, .70 to .80. When you talk about low rates from Fedex just remember that they have to lower there rates to be competitive with these companies. I am an independent that deals directly with shippers, no brokers or partner carriers, and I can tell you that I have been told by a couple of shippers that Panther can give them a cargo van for 1.24 a mile. Now I may be a mom and pop carrier but I am not going to run that cheap.
arkjarhead
Veteran Expediter
You some times people tell you that stuff to see if you will lower your price. It's kinda like when I worked in the cb business. I would quote a rate on an install and the driver would tell me they could get it done for this cheaper price and that cb shop elsewhere. I'd then tell them to let that cb shop elsewhere do it then. Usually they would come up with a lame excuse about why they were going to let me do it. I always offered a 30 warranty on my labor. I stood behind that to. You can't get alot of those shops to stand behind what they do the next day, but that is a different thread.
I really thought I wanted to get back into trucking from more of a management aspect after graduation, but I don't know if I do or I don't anymore.
I really thought I wanted to get back into trucking from more of a management aspect after graduation, but I don't know if I do or I don't anymore.
Fastrod...not disagreeing at all that rates are low for most carriers...I just don't think the Feds will continue at this rate...they have the advantage of many divisions...They work Ground and Home as peons as well...
greg334
Veteran Expediter
I would normally agree with this idea that they need to be competitive but here is the thing, they are the second largest package handling company in the world, they have the resources, they have the sales and they especially have the brand. We look at things on a small scale, thinking that they need to be competitive by lowering the rates, yada yada yada but the truth is that they fail to leverage their size and sales staff to put pressure on the competition and they know it.
They don't care because there is a bigger picture that Memphis looks at.
They don't care because there is a bigger picture that Memphis looks at.