Havard Man - So What?

dhalltoyo

Veteran Expediter
Politically speaking, no one should minimize what John McCain has accomplished on the Republican side of this campaign.

Barring the suspense of the race between Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama, the chronicle of McCain's struggle from the edge of political collapse to his current domination on the Republican side says something about his staying power.

On Super Tuesday, David Broder of the Washington Post placed calls to numerous Republicans, Democrats and neutral observers to check their appraisals of McCain as a general-election candidate. He found McCain bringing together supporters within his own party and being treated with great respect by Democrats.

Arizona's Democratic Gov. Janet Napolitano said, "He is not to be underestimated." Although she is an Obama supporter, Napolitano said McCain is "a gifted campaigner with a great life story. When everything seemed to go wrong for him last year, I told people, 'Never write John McCain off.'"

Former North Carolina Gov. Jim Hunt told Broder he thought McCain would be "very tough" competition. Don Fowler, the former Democratic National Committee chairman and a Clinton supporter said, "He is the best possible candidate for the Republicans by any measure I can see."

Newt Gingrich told Broder, "We disagree on some issues, but I'd rather fight him in the White House than either of those Democrats. He has come back because of one thing -- his courage. As a populist, I love it."

A recent Washington Post-ABC News poll showed McCain in a statistical tie with either Democrat. When voters were asked to judge the candidates' strength and experience versus their new ideas and potential for bringing change, McCain and Clinton match closely, but McCain leads Obama by 20 points on strength and experience.

The Dems had another candidate for “change” back in 1988. His name is Michael Dukakis. He was another Harvard graduate (So what?) who dubbed himself as the phenomenon termed the "Massachusetts Miracle". George H.W. Bush won by offering "stability in a time of transition." Oh, by the way, Dukakis was also an Eagle Scout too. Of course, he was weak on capital punishment, initiated a prison furlough program that was a revolving door for criminals and vetoed a bill that would require the Pledge of Allegiance to be recited in Massachusetts public schools. I know, we keep hearing the supposedly “Urban Legend” that Barrack Hussein Obama has a problem with the Pledge of Allegiance, but I am certain that video clips taken at political and public functions will determine what is legend and what is factual.

Had Dukakis been successful in winning the presidency, he would have been only the third commander-in-chief to have had immigrant parents besides Andrew Jackson and Chester A. Arthur. Of course, if Barrack Hussein Obama gets that far, he can only claim half of that title; his mother was from Kansas and daddy was from Kenya. Mom and dad separated after only two years of marriage. Dad went to Harvard too, but then went back to Kenya. Mom marries another foreign student (so much for higher education) named Lolo Soetoro. The family moves to Soetoro’s home country of Indonesia; the most populous Muslim-majority nation. A nation that produced a political despot named Sukarno who moved from democracy to authoritarianism and maintained his power base by balancing the opposing forces of the Military, Islam, and the Communist Party of Indonesia. He was occasionally referred to as “Achmad Sukarno”. Sukarno was educated in the Dutch Schools in Indonesia; the same schools that Barrack Hussein Obama attended while living in Indonesia.

Sukarno was succeeded by Suharto. In religious contexts, he is sometimes called “Haji” or “el-Haj Mohammed Suharto. Suharto’s parents divorced not long after his birth and his home life was disjointed and superficial. Interesting how Barrack Hussein Obama also struggled to determine his roots. This struggle, or confusion if you will, is chronicled in a memoir of his youth titled Dreams from My Father. The book describes his uncertainties as a young adult to reconcile his multiracial heritage. He wrote that he used alcohol, marijuana, and cocaine during his teenage years to "push questions of who I was out of my mind". As far as this writer is concerned, I have yet to see any evidence that he has settled the issues surrounding his heritage.

Moreover, I find it to be quite disconcerting that Barrack began his educational process in Indonesia in 1967, the very same year that Suharto came to power. Obama attended local schools in Jakarta from ages 6 to 10, where classes were taught in the Indonesian language.

Ok, so what is the parallel…under Suharto’s "New Order" administration, Suharto constructed a strong militarist centralized government.

And that folks is what you will get from Barrack Hussein Obama…”New World Order” and a “Centralized” government.

No, he does not get $50.00 from me, unless he wants to put it toward a one way ticket homeward…if he can ever figure out from whence he came.
 

Robsdad

Seasoned Expediter
Sorry Rev., I have read a lot of your stuff and agree with some, not here however. Let's review Mr. McCain.
1.At best as competent as GW
2.Never saw a war he didn't like. Has a huge amount of contempt for Iraq, Afghan, N.Korea, Iran and any other country that he would choose to go to war with.
3.Author of the campaign finance bill that restricts first amendment rights.
4. A staunch believer of federalism, presidential over legislative.
Does any of the above remind you of someone you know. Hint: been in the WH for 7 plus years.
I do however commend him on his service to the country militarily. A prisoner of war in the not so popular war. As the one we are in now is becoming. I will not send $50 to Mr. Obama or will I contribute to the Hillary fund. I will however not vote for John McCain no matter who his running mate is.
This is my opinion and I do respect yours sir.
robsdad
 

LDB

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
I won't be sending any money to the Hilama campaign. I am not impressed by Harvard or Rhodes or any other educational institution. That fact adds zero to Obamily as far as credentials or competence or capability. I don't have a huge amount of contempt for N. Korea and Iran. That implies there's some amount of non-contempt and I have nothing but contempt for them. I wouldn't waste a lot of time and manpower on them though. I'd just send them complimentary copies of Fat Boy and Little John. McCain rates about a 1.5 on the 10 scale of desirability as president. That at least beats the 0.37 for Hilama.
 

dhalltoyo

Veteran Expediter
I have said many times that McCain was never my choice either.

Moreover, when I was young, and unlearned, I voted Democrat from 1968 until Clinton's second bid for office. I was just a rebellious punk riding the wave of an antiestablishment mindset. You know, like SDS (Students for a Democratic Society) who forcefully took over college administration buildings, or the “If it feels good, just do it” mentality which has now born the fruit of STD’s running rampart through our culture. Fact: The American Social Health Association projections in 2006 were that about 75% of the reproductive population will have been infected with genital HPV infection in their lifetime. Yeah, you have come a long way baby! Isn’t “Free Love” just so wonderful.

Liberals tend to apply liberality to all aspects of their daily lives. Think about those past presidents engaged in adulterous relationships and who immediately comes to mind: FDR, Kennedy and Clinton; all Democrats. Yep! All were just doing their own thing.

Even if McCain is not a first choice, I stand a better chance of having my congressional representatives, both federal and state, getting a hold of McCain’s ear. Conversely, if it were Obama, or the former first mama, my representatives would it difficult to speak to those who are rich and shameless. Uh, who can loan themselves 5 million dollars to finance a campaign. Do those from Camelot really represent the little guys? Of course, that is what the Democratic Party is all about, or at least that is what they hope you will believe. I bought into the hoax for years.
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
Sorry guys/gals

But

The thing that many of you are missing is that after years of pro-amnesty position, the placement of Juan Hernandez within his campaign and his co-sponsoring of the McCain-Kennedy should be enough not to have him as a candidate.

Remember he is part of the group that holds Americans in contempt with the 'jobs that Americans won't do' attitude. If anyone wants to revisit the $50 an hour lettuce picking job controversy, there is a lot of info out there on the internet.

The old farts in Florida and other places who are voting for him, are voting for him on his past in Vietnam, but not on real issues - like McCain-Feingold.

As I said, the field is rather lacking real leaders, lacking real Americans for that matter. I can't vote for McCain, to me he has traded his 'hero' status for a traitor status and for me and many others his actions in the recent past go far far beyond the rhetoric used during a non-election election and proves nothing about his integrity other than he has none.

Leo, just a quick FYI - the two bombs were Fat Man and Little Boy with a third that they were thinking about developing at that time - the Thin Man. I am glad you brought it up because I really feel that with McCain's feelings with GITMO and tying the hands of the government to protect us, he would be the last person out of the three to use nukes on a country like Iran and this would really be a bad thing.
 

Turtle

Administrator
Staff member
Retired Expediter
John Adams
John Quincy Adams
Rutherford B. Hayes
Theodore Roosevelt
Franklin Delano Roosevelt
John F. Kennedy
George W. Bush

Al Gore went there (his roommate was Tommy Lee Jones). So did Mitt Romney (man, he should have gotten the nomination, just so he could have chosen Moot as his running mate). Sam Adams went there, as did Jesse Ventura and Timothy Leary.

Lots of great people went there. Then again, so did Ted Kaczynski (the Unibomber) and the esteemed governor from Michigan, Jennifer Granholm,

and Conan O'Brien.
 

LDB

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
CRS sucks. Amazing how it's so much like all the choices this time. The only area where I see a small glimmer of hope with McCain is Supreme Court nominees. I think there's a slight chance he would make marginally better nominations. I agree fully he SUCKS when it comes to sovereignty and I don't see any of them taking a hard line, whether they can remember the right names for the bombs or not. :confused: In any event, it's at least another 4 years of disappointment.
 

Batman

Seasoned Expediter
It is pretty much a given McCain will be the Republican nominee(unless GOD wants Huckabee to get the nomination because it would take a miracle at this point). So the question now is which Democratic candidate could McCain beat in the general election in November?
In my opinion, McCain would fare better against Hillary than Barack for a variety of reasons.
1. McCain's age would be exploited by the liberal media if Obama were the nominee.
2. Hillary Clinton has such a polarizing personality, either you love her or you hate her(this
is true among democrat voters).
3. Obama's campaign is "A call for Change" or something to that effect and a lot of people
are tired hearing campaign promises fall by the wayside once a candidate gets into
office. A lot of young voters are being drawn to Obama.

With this all said, there is the Libertarian Party that will no doubt field a candidate that those of us who don't like either choice from the Donkeys or Elephants can pull the lever for.
This is Batman from Indiana and I endorse this message.
 

Turtle

Administrator
Staff member
Retired Expediter
Both, actually. Bush got his history degree from Yale in 1968, and then got his master's degree in business administration from Harvard in 1975.
 

arkjarhead

Veteran Expediter
The only thing is a most people don't feel like a candidate from a third party will have a chance so no one will vte for them. I would, but most people feel that is throwing your vote away.
 
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