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Pilgrim

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Another example of the enlightenment our best colleges offer the nation's future leaders:
"Harvard University is famous for its secular leftism, and now they have approved a student organization which will give Leftists (who do champion the counterculture) a club where they can indulge their fantasies: the Harvard College Munch for Bondage/Discipline/Sadism/Masochism...

Harvard might be disappointed to know they were beaten to the punch by Iowa State University, whose student government funded a bondage club as far back as 2003.
Since the success of "50 Shades Of Grey", S & M clubs have proliferated; Columbia, Tufts, MIT and Yale have them..."

Harvard's Latest Addition: the S&M Club
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Keep in mind, the average student debt upon graduation is about $29,000 thanks to the Obama administered govt student loan program.
Can anyone smell "bailout" for all those shiny young faces that showed up at the polls to vote for Barack Hussein Obama and his socialist agenda? But who cares? The "rich" are going to pay for all this.
 
Moot

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A college sanctioned S & M club on campus makes perfect sense. If you voted for Obama thinking you could increase your student aid and maybe get some other extra goodies then you probably get off on the degradation and humiliation of feeding from the government teat. If you have sadistic tendencies, then knowing you are sticking it to hard working, middle class slobs to pay for your fun should heighten your enjoyment. Keeps the sadists and the masochist happy.
 
Tennesseahawk

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Now what's with beating up on the S&M crowd? A little role-playing never hurt anyone. Heck, I know bunches of neo-cons who role-play. They pretend to be good Christians for two hours on Sunday, then revert to their a-hole selves for the rest of the week. ;)

I would, however, like to know if this truly is taxpayer funded, or student funded.
 
Humble2drive

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Pilgrim said:
Keep in mind, the average student debt upon graduation is about $29,000 thanks to the Obama administered govt student loan program.
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And how does this relate to a BDSM club at Harvard?
Harvard does not provide loans.
You are quoting the average loan debt for "for profit" colleges. This is irrelevant to Harvard and even more irrelevant to the story in your link.

Anyway, a majority of the irrelevant $29,000.00 amount will be paid back with interest. Wouldn't the future dollar amount of the portion of that figure which is defaulted on be more relevant?


Pilgrim said:
Can anyone smell "bailout" for all those shiny young faces that showed up at the polls to vote for Barack Hussein Obama and his socialist agenda?
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No. Why would there be a bailout?
For the Harvard MBA class of 2012, median base salaries were $125,000 and few had any debt.
If you are talking about a bailout for those "for profit" graduates that are in default on their loans? Why would you bail out someone who has already defaulted?

As far as a BDSM club at Harvard. To borrow a term from Amonger, they receive the moron award for that one. :cool:
 
Humble2drive

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Tennesseahawk said:
I would, however, like to know if this truly is taxpayer funded, or student funded.
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It is not taxpayer funded. The "grant" referred to in the article is a school grant that provides food and non-alcoholic beverages for club meetings. They will need to provide their own whips and hand cuffs.
 
LDB

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Does the school receive any taxpayer money? Is the group getting money from the school? Then it's taxpayer money. It may not be traceable by serial number to specific bills but it is just the same.

Applicable anywhere, not just here or even schools.
 
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Moot

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Most if not all college clubs, concerts, guest speakers, intramural sports etc. are funded by an "activity fee" (term my differ by college) that is assessed with the tuition. If a student is receiving some form of government financial aid, then I guess indirectly the taxpayer is paying, but that's a bit of a stretch.

At Harvard the request for funding for the S & M club is probably made to some board that oversees and doles out the "activity fee" money.
 
skyraider

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Pilgrim said:
Another example of the enlightenment our best colleges offer the nation's future leaders:

Keep in mind, the average student debt upon graduation is about $29,000 thanks to the Obama administered govt student loan program.
Can anyone smell "bailout" for all those shiny young faces that showed up at the polls to vote for Barack Hussein Obama and his socialist agenda? But who cares? The "rich" are going to pay for all this.
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29k is not much money for debt.
 
davekc

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layoutshooter said:
I have no idea, was just asking. I don't understand it all. Did Harvard get the loans/grants or did the students get them? Just another reason that the feds should NOT be involved in education in ANY way, shape or form.
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They are a private school but students are entering with grants and student loans in which the actual student applies for the money.
 
layoutshooter

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davekc said:
They are a private school but students are entering with grants and student loans in which the actual student applies for the money.
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So the student is receiving the grant/loan, not the school directly? Is that still considered government funding of the school? I guess in real terms it is but legal terms?
 
LDB

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Other than Hillsdale and maybe a handful of others you can probably safely bet there are tax dollars making their way into schools. Even Hillsdale probably gets some indirectly through students who receive them directly but the school itself at least has the policy of accepting zero.
 
davekc

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layoutshooter said:
So the student is receiving the grant/loan, not the school directly? Is that still considered government funding of the school? I guess in real terms it is but legal terms?
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Grants are generally offered through the Fed or the state. Student loans in their origin are coming from the government (use to be private banks) and are repaid from the student. If there is a default (where we are on a record pace) then the taxpayer picks that up.
 
Humble2drive

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Moot said:
At Harvard the request for funding for the S & M club is probably made to some board that oversees and doles out the "activity fee" money.
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You are correct sir.

DAPA Grants provide food and non-alcoholic beverages (at parties without alcohol) for social events. These events must be on campus and cannot have other sources of funding. The purpose of this program is to encourage low-risk drinking at parties with alcohol as well as to provide alternatives by funding parties without alcohol. Keep this mission in mind when applying for a grant!

Frequently Asked Questions » HarvardDAPA
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Humble2drive

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davekc said:
Of course they do. Quite a bit actually.
Harvard Got $5.6M in Federal Student Loans and Grants--Despite Its $31.7B Tax-Exempt Endowment | CNS News
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This is getting muddled up a bit. Layout shooter stated:

Harvard is a private school. I don't know if they receive any public funds.
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You said " of course they do " but . . .
The article you posted was about Students receiving public funds in the form of Federal Loans and Grants, not Harvard receiving public Funds directly.
The mere title of the article is an incorrect conclusion:

"Harvard Got $5.6M in Federal Student Loans and Grants--Despite Its $31.7B Tax-Exempt Endowment"

The article admits that students received those amounts in Loans and Grants and leaves the gullible reader to assume that Harvard received those amounts.

Implying that Harvard receives all of these proceeds indirectly through the students is incorrect. Loans and Grants are awarded for tuition and/or costs associated with school which can include books, supplies, rent, etc.
The portion allocated to tuition can vary in each individual case.
For example: Mom and Dad may pay 80% of Juniors tuition. Junior uses the loan to pay the remaining 20% plus buy books, pizza, condoms and pay rent.

You can make a leap and say some portion of the 5.6M ended up in Harvard's accounts; however, with that reasoning you could also say that the local eateries and landlords receive public funds.

This is always the problem with seeking and posting biased news sources instead of utilizing facts. ;)
 
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