Harder to find Drivers because of our company.

[Bruno]

With campanies going away from how many points a driver has on his MVR it's getting harder to find drivers. I had a driver that I wanted to hire and he only had 4 points on his CDL with the state of Ohio but our company said no to him coming on with us. He had a speeding ticket, Running a stop sign ( that a guy had to move left to keep from hitting him and got stuck in a ditch) and two seat belt tickets. With our company they use a point system one point for each moving violation and 1/2 point for each non moving violation.
Now in my book a non moving violation should never stop a driver from driving, but in this case it did. With the system that the company we are leased to you can't have no more than 3 points. But here is the thing that gets me. If you run a stop sign and cause some to go into a ditch they count that as two points. One point for running a stop sign and one point for causing an accident. So now he is up to 2 points, add 1 more point for a speeding ticket. Now the driver is up to 3 points. Add in 1/2 point each for 2 seat belt tickets, and now he is up too 4 points because of their rules and because you can't have no more than 3 points he can't drive. But hear is what cracks me up the most, If that would have been one of us moving to the left to miss a car and we got stuck in a ditch. We would have been charged with a preventable accident.

I asked someone in our carrier safety department about this and was told that this is what DOT rules are not us. I asked then why is this same driver going to go work for another expedite company. I have been with my carrier since 1995 and have been very loyal to them. But I guess I will eat my words DaveKC, Leo, Moot, and Greg. We are just another number and the years of service don't mean anything. I also manage another owners Fleet of VERY NICE Trucks and me and my wife has called the person at our carrier to see if they could help us with finding drivers for his one truck. Still waiting on that phone call back, and that was two months ago. My wife has called the person many times. So the truck owners recruiter called me and lefted a message saying this person would call the owner about helping with new drivers. I run his fleet and this man has about 12 other companies that he has to run and she wants to call him and not the person he hired to do the job.

 

[arkjarhead]

No offense Bruno, but if you've been around this since 95 you know the carrier is going to do what they want, how want to, and when they want to do it. That's the bottom line. Other than that I hate to hear you are having a hard time.

 

[Turtle]

Speeding, crap happens. Running the stop sign, more rare, but crap still happens. The seatbelt thing, tho, here's the deal - there's not a single person with a drivers license or a CDL that isn't aware that you need to wear a seatbelt when in a vehicle. So, getting in a vehicle and not putting on the seatbelt shows (a) a wanton disregard for the law or (b) utter stupidity. Then he gets ticketed for no seatbelt. Actually gets caught. Wow. OK, stupid is as stupid does.

Does he now realize that he needs to wear a seatbelt, or at least know how to put one on real quick? Apparently, no. He gets caught, and ticketed, again. So, is he just flat-out stoopid, or does he still think he doesn't need to abide by the law, and if he doesn't think he needs to abide by that particular law, what other laws is he picking and choosing to follow? Two seatbelt tickets. Two. Sheesh. That tells me he never wears a seatbelt. And it would tell a carrier. and should tell you, the same thing.

 

[EASYTRADER]

I heard this complaint from another FECC driver he said it took six weeks to get his codriver throught their new hiring syystem.

 

[Broompilot]

Just last week a Driver from Michigan turned over the 18 wheeler no Seat Belt he was killed 53 years old. Now from the Insurance Co. point of view they were probably greatfull he was not seriously injured and had to pay the claims. Cold way to look at it, but if that driver would have been belted he probably would have walked away. Insurance Co.s own us, keep that CDL clean its more important than Credit when one chooses to be a Truck Driver.

 

[x06col]

Ahh Bruno, I feel you have it wrong here. It's harder to find drivers, because of the drivers. Not, a company problem, just a driver problem.

Guess yer finding out just exactly what seniority and loyalty pays these days, eh?

Did I read you are managing a fleet for an owner whom works in the feds ivory palace?

 

[pjjjjj]

Ahh Bruno, I feel you have it wrong here. It's harder to find drivers, because of the drivers. Not, a company problem, just a driver problem.

Ha, yes.. it's funny how when one is more desperate, the standards get lower, and things that may have previously been unacceptable, start to look pretty good.

 

[pjjjjj]

So the truck owners recruiter called me and lefted a message saying this person would call the owner about helping with new drivers. I run his fleet and this man has about 12 other companies that he has to run and she wants to call him and not the person he hired to do the job.

So call the person, and tell them you are authorized by the fleetowner to deal with these matters. Type an auth letter to produce for this recruiter, and get the fleetowner to sign it, if you have to. Hopefully you will have the backing of the fleetowner. If not, you will at least know where you stand.

 

[Bruno]

So call the person, and tell them you are authorized by the fleetowner to deal with these matters. Type an auth letter to produce for this recruiter, and get the fleetowner to sign it, if you have to. Hopefully you will have the backing of the fleetowner. If not, you will at least know where you stand.

That was done when he put on the trucks, no the owner doesn't work for any expedite company. The owner is in the Rent To Own Business. You know like Rent-A-Center.

 

[pjjjjj]

Sounds like the recruiter is trying to recruit some extra biz for his company.. perhaps at your expense.. you know how hard it can be to deal with the top dog when you're trying to get something done.. so make it that hard for her/him too.

 

[Bruno]

Ha, yes.. it's funny how when one is more desperate, the standards get lower, and things that may have previously been unacceptable, start to look pretty good.

Nobody is getting desperate as you put it, if that was the case I just hire anyone. This driver told me up front about his MVR and I called our carrier and asked the agent in the safety department about it. She told me he was okay. So that driver was all ready to come on with our carrier. Then it seemed like every week their was something new they needed.

 

[Bruno]

Sounds like the recruiter is trying to recruit some extra biz for his company.. perhaps at your expense.. you know how hard it can be to deal with the top dog when you're trying to get something done.. so make it that hard for her/him too.

Naw the recruiter is a very good person. It's just the person that deals with finding drivers for owners doesn't like me for some reason I was told. I don't know and really don't care if they do or if they don't. It's just the job they are being paid to do a job by our carrier that they don't do. That's the way I feel.

 

[jaminjim]

Some of the best drivers out on the road can get tickets, and sometimes they seem to come in bunches. With that said he does seem to have gotten his share out of the way in a short period of time. The seat belt tickets are pretty easy to avoid by simply wearing it. But he may have been given a seat belt violation in leu of a more serious ticket.

As far as the person not helping you get drivers, .... I'm sure they have a supervisor.

Oh I forgot to add that we should not complain if our Carriers want to tighten up and hire better qualified drivers for the fleet

 

[Bruno]

I understand where your coming from Jim. You have always been a great poster on EO. It's just so upsetting that we even called and asked about the things on his MVR and was told he was ok. Then you send them for a drug test which gets charged back to the owner and they charge you for a back ground check too. So now your out over $100.00 that you wouldn't of paid if they would have told he was not okayed from the get go.

 

[jaminjim]

I know what your saying Dave, If safety gave him the okay, and then rescinded afterward, you would think that it should be charged back to the department that made the error.

On the other part of the of the problem, maybe a face to face meeting with the person your having issues with during their lunch could help ease the tension.

 

[JohnMueller]

Bruno;

Safety departments within carrier companies and insurance companies review driver MVR's looking at "Violation Frequency" - how frequently does this driver have moving violations. It's true, "points" are involved in the process. If you had six speeding tickets in the past year, none with points assigned, you would think that you should be insured. Chances are even if you had four speeding tickets in the past three years, you would not be insurable.

Ask for a copy of your companies hiring requirements to assist you with "pre-qualifying" your potential drivers prior to that application reaching your company's safety department. It will save you much frustration.

Thanks,
HotFr8Recruiter

 

[x06col]

Amazing ain't it there hotfreight? Been with a company supposedly since christ wuz a corporal, an don't know what their rules are. Pretty amazing.

 

[Bruno]

Amazing ain't it there hotfreight? Been with a company supposedly since christ wuz a corporal, an don't know what their rules are. Pretty amazing.

Well, if their rules didn't change every other month things like this wouldn't happen. Here is what im talking about. I asked for our company to send out the paperwork to a driver and some of the paper work they sent was the old forms and they said that the driver need to sign the new forms. Well, why did they sent the wrong forms in the 1st place. Don't get me wrong I love working for our company but some things need to be address about what they are not doing right. I guess I need to call the one person at our company that if she ever left and went to another company we would follow her. She is tuff but, fair and I respect her for the Damm Good job she Does. MT

 

[jasonsprouse]

In Ohio once you reach 6 points your CDL is "void" until the points come down. So if they hire a driver with 4 points and they get one more ticket they have no more CDL priviledges.

I was in that position many years ago, I was lucky that by the time my nest ticket came to court one of the previous ones had aged out.

 

[davekc]

I would say your options are limited if they change them all the time. If you hire consistently, ask for a update every month or quarter. Or....request everything prior to doing any type of interview so you have all the current info on hand. I do wonder, is the Fed makes the constant changes or the insurance carrier?