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aristotle

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Just speculation on my part, but maybe New Jersey Governor Chris Christie thought it was appropriate to order flags fly at half-mast because Whitney Houston was a much beloved pop icon in the African-American community. Whitney Houston was a source of pride to Newark, New Jersey. New Jersey residents can celebrate her accomplishments as they see fit.
 
Turtle

Turtle

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tryhours3191 said:
Just saying.
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Well, you didn't say very much, I'll give you credit for that. By not saying anything relevant to the picture posted, it leaves us all to assume your position on this. Do you really want that?

Apparently, there are people who think flags should only be lowered to half-staff for the mourning of dead soldiers and recently dead presidents. These people are ignorant. These people also include the father of the Army private, who burned the American flag on his BBQ grill in protest of the flag being lowered in the state of New Jersey for Whitney Houston, a well known and liked New Jersey native and resident. Aristotle nailed it. It's not like the flag wasn't lowered when the Army private died, because it was.

When Joe Paterno died, the governor of Pennsylvania ordered the flag flown at half staff. There are far more examples of flag lowerings to honor someone other than a dead soldier than I want to bother with typing in here, but they happen a lot in these United States. A lot.

Governors of the several U.S. states or territories are authorized by federal law to order all U.S. and state flags in their jurisdiction flown at half-staff as a mark of respect for a state official or resident who has died.

This is about as straightforward and uncontroversial as it can get. The only controversy here is a manufactured one.
 
chefdennis

chefdennis

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What Aristotle and Turtle said....

And yea Where is the #$%^7 Like button??? I vaguely remember it being posted that it would be back within 36-48 hrs after the change over....
 
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aristotle

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Sometimes we forget how rare a talent passes before us. I recently was reacquainted with Whitney Houston's spine-chilling rendition of our national anthem at the Super Bowl in 1991. The Super Bowl crowd gave a thunderous standing ovation which lasted several minutes. It was a patriotic moment for the ages.
 
Turtle

Turtle

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Click the "star" and add to a user's reputation (directly under the person's avatar, at the bottom of their post). The "Like" button has more or less supplanted the Reputation button (which is where those green dots under your Member Status text comes from).

Until the "Like" button comes back, give a little reputational luv to others. :D
 
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jaminjim

jaminjim

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Turtle said:
These people are ignorant. These people also include the father of the Army private, who burned the American flag on his BBQ grill in protest of the flag being lowered in the state of New Jersey for Whitney Houston, a well known and liked New Jersey native and resident.
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I believe he burnt the State flag of NJ not the American Flag.
 
clcooper

clcooper

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yes Whitney Houston was a great singer. but she also was a drug abuser which is ILLEGAL in the USA . so should the flag be half staff for all other criminals also . it is ok for her to use drugs but not the people on welfare .

so we should show respect to drug users and people that cover up children being abused .we need to forget the bad things people do . Charles Manson should go free because he reads the bible once a year.
Whitney Houston's crack pipe should be placed in the Smithsonian . and she should get a Medal of Honor also .

what are guide lines . what are rules . what are laws . and who are the for .

I wonder if the flag will be flown at half staff for any of the Navy Seal Team 6 that got Osama bin Laden .

.if you think the flag should be flown half staff for Whitney .then you believe it should have been flown half staff for Osama bin Laden also.


The laws relating to the flag of the United States of America are found in detail in the United States Code. Title 4, Chapter 1 pertains to the flag; Title 18, Chapter 33, Section 700 regards criminal penalties for flag desecration; Title 36, Chapter 3 pertains to patriotic customs and observances. These laws were supplemented by Executive Orders and Presidential Proclamations.
 
Brisco

Brisco

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State of New Jerseys Flag flown at half-mast to "Honor" Whitney Houston I could care less about.........Let the State honor their Crack Monger any way they wish.

American Flag flown at half-mast in Honor of the same Crack Monger is Ignorance, Flat Out Ignorance. Period. Anybody that disagrees....also Ignorant.

Whitney Houston used to be a Bright Shining Star in the Entertainment Industry. But, that's all she was, an Entertainer. Did she contribute anything Patriotic for our Country?? Did she change America, or Americas values whatsoever?? Not only No, but Hell NO. She went from being a Big Star "Entertaining" a small to probably a mediocre percentage of the American citizens as a whole. What was she to America over the last decade or so???? A poster child for what Crack does to people. Anybody see those pictures taken 3-4 days before her death when she was out on the town??? Don't tell me there wasn't a hitting of the Crack Pipe before she went out that night........Got it.

So...again, American Flag at half-mast for this Crack Monger.....Ignorant. New Jersey Flag at half-mast.....who really cares.
 
RLENT

RLENT

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Anyone has the right to fly the US flag half-mast for whomever they choose ..... just as anyone else is free to opine on the wisdom of doing so .... or the lack thereof ....

People can judge all of it on the merits .....

Speaking of the US Flag ... this is the version that I prefer:


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Pilgrim

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It shouldn't come as a surprise to see Gov. Christie ordering the flags at half staff for an occasion like this during an election year. Wonder if the flags were similarly flown in their respective states upon the deaths of Elvis Presley, Jimi Hendrix, Janis Joplin, John Belushi - all of whom were highly talented, self indulgent entertainers who died prematurely from drug overdose or the effects of drug/alcohol abuse. Considering all the other problems the country faces right now this hardly qualifies as a blip on the radar.
 
RLENT

RLENT

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clcooper said:
check the law
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Further, I would say:

Check the history of this country ...... with respect to the law, and specifically the Constitution, the sovereignty and rights of the states and the individual citizen ..... and the actions of Congress in respect to the aforementioned .....

This might be a good place to start:

Treason in Government! AdmiraltyLaw!

While reading the above keep in mind the following:

The NDAA (which allows indefinite detention of citizens by the military, without due process, in violation of the Constitution) is "the law" .....

And so are the "Patriot Act" ..... and "Obamacare" ......

There's a very good reason reason why the oath goes:

".... I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic ...."

Our Founding Fathers understood well, where the true and greatest danger lay ...... at one time, many also understood this as well ......
 
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Pilgrim

Pilgrim

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cableguymn said:
I could be wrong. but I am 99% sure NJ dropped the flags to half mast for Sammy Davis Jr..
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That would be a bit more understandable considering that Davis was a true role model, especially for minority entertainers in the 1950s and 60s. He had a lengthy and exemplary career, served in the military in WW2 and died of old age. Compare his life with those of the brain dead junkies who were too self indulgent and dim-witted to even understand the meaning of their God-given talents and how to use them - definitely an example of apple vs rotten oranges.
 
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