Guard your HazMat Endorsement

TeamCaffee

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This is a very interesting article and one that hits us hard as we don't get home very often..... Charlie has written another very interesting article.

OOIDA’s Land line: Expired hazmat check means suspended CDL for veteran driver

By Charlie Morasch, Land Line staff writer

Rod Baillie remembers pulling out of his Sparks, NV, driveway Labor Day weekend.

He and Karen Baillie, both OOIDA members, would team-drive their way across the country for a few weeks before returning in late September. That way, Rod’s CDL could be renewed before it expired on Oct. 2, his birthday.

When the Baillies got home and checked their mail, they found a rude awakening waiting for them. The Nevada DOT sent certified mail notifying Rod that his CDL would be suspended for a minimum of 30 days.

“It’s been a nightmare,” Rod told Land Line. “If it weren’t for my wife, we’d be out of business.”

The case highlights a key clerical discrepancy that could ruin the businesses and bank accounts of thousands of truck drivers who obtain hazardous material endorsements that expire before their CDLs are required to be renewed.

As it turns out, Rod’s hazmat endorsement background check expired in late September. Because he hadn’t hauled hazmat for some time, Rod decided not to renew his endorsement. He would renew his CDL the first week of October.

“If I hadn’t been renewing my license, I would have stayed out for 60 days,” Baillie said. “It’s cheaper and easier on us to go out for 60, come back, and take a week off. I had no notice that it was expired, and I drove back from Los Angeles that day with an expired license. I didn’t know.”

In the process of suspending Baillie’s license, Nevada may have violated federal transportation regulations themselves.

In its certified letter notifying Rod Baillie that his CDL was suspended, Nevada cited a state administrative code that referred back to federal regulations spelled out by the Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration. Under FMCSR 383.141, states are required to notify CDL/HME-holders at least 60 days before the expiration date of either the license or the endorsement that the “individual must pass a Transportation Security Administration security threat assessment process.”

Baillie said his notification has an Aug. 28 postmark, meaning it was mailed no more than 30 days before his HME expired. A second letter regarding the suspension was postmarked Sept. 20.

Under 383.51, a driver can be disqualified for “driving a commercial motor vehicle without the proper class of CDL and/or endorsements for the specific vehicle group being operated or for the passengers or type of cargo being transported.” Baillie, however, was not hauling hazmat.

To further complicate matters, Baillie passed a TSA background check in early 2009 in order to obtain his Transportation Worker Identification Credential. That background check is good for another two years.

Joe Rajkovacz, OOIDA director of regulatory affairs, said Baillie’s CDL should never have been suspended.

“This is just another example of a state overzealously misinterpreting federal regulations,” Rajkovacz said. “There is no federal requirement to suspend a CDL simply because the driver decided not to renew his HME.”

States shouldn’t go beyond the authority of federal transportation regulations, Rajkovacz said.

“There has been a dramatic drop in veteran drivers securing a Hazardous Materials Endorsement because of the cost and hassles involved,” Rajkovacz said. “This kind of policy will only make drivers think twice about securing the endorsement, further exacerbating a growing shortage of drivers willing to haul hazardous materials.”

Tom Jacobs, a spokesman with the Nevada Department of Motor Vehicles, said drivers who want to drop a hazmat endorsement from their CDL need to come in to a DMV office and obtain a new license.

“That’s the driver’s choice if they don’t want it on there,” Jacobs said. “It’s a personal choice.”

The Baillies were trucking in early October, as Rod remained in the passenger seat of their 2005 Freightliner Columbia.

Without Karen’s trucking career and the Baillie’s truck already being paid off, Rod’s CDL being suspended might have sunk their business.

“I’m lucky it’s all paid for,” Rod said.

Baillie has contacted the Nevada governor’s office, both U.S. Senators, and his elected congressional representative to plead for an appeal.

He said one senator told him they’d respond to his request within 180 days.

Baillie said he’s glad his family will make it through the suspension period. He isn’t happy that a suspended license will likely be on his permanent record, and he believes the Nevada DMV should give truckers more notification time.

“I’ve exhausted everything I can think of,” he said. “Nevada DMV has my email address; I use it for IFTA. I wish they’d have emailed me.

“Hopefully other truckers don’t get caught up in this.”

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clcooper

Expert Expediter
“This is just another example of a state overzealously misinterpreting federal regulations,”
 

purgoose10

Veteran Expediter
Talk about coincedence. S.Carolina actually sent me a letter 30 days before mine was to expire. Mine was Oct 3. After having the hazardouse endorsement since the CDL came out I decided no more. I dropped mine. If I have to have one later I'll reapply. The $75 bucks to me wasn't worth it anymore. I'm running C/Vans and don't haul hazardous so that's my thinking. If your in a straight truck or a TT and younger than I, I would have one. But it's still a rip off and just a source for more revenue.
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
The solution is to drop the BS with the TSA and the other requirements to return to a simple check. Not once has there been an issue with a Hazmat load being used as a terrorist weapon and if it will ever be, it won't take any precaution from any license endorsement to stop it.
 

iceroadtrucker

Veteran Expediter
Driver
With the Endoursement comes a great deal of responsibility !How ever there are those of us who are required to have the Endoursement in order to stay as a contractor for certain companies, But the monetary funds that are paid to do these loads are a mere joke and a slap in the face. Hazmat because of it being what it is, one big headace should cost the shipper more and the truck should make way more than a regular non Haz load. Personaly I think all hazmat loads should pay at a mininum of 3.50 a mile for the truck then add the fuelsurcharge. Why so much more. The driver is held responsible and takes a bigger risk, puts out the monetary funds that it cost to renew the license back ground checks along with studying for the test just for the endoursement. Its not the company but the driver who should reap the reward for the seeds he has sewed. Only those that lurk here that are non drivers would disagree with this.
 

cheri1122

Veteran Expediter
Driver
Perfect timing: today, I renewed my CDL A, and when told I'd have to redo the fingerprint procedure, then wait for clearance to arrive via mail, I declined to renew the HazMat endorsement, as I haven't actually hauled any for the last few years.
But the surprise came when I got an abstract [Ohio's record of violations on the driver's record]: it says the HazMat expires in Oct, 2012.
There's no endorsement on my CDL, so I won't be hauling Hazmat, and it is absurd that the endorsement and license have different expiration dates.
 

iceroadtrucker

Veteran Expediter
Driver
Perfect timing: today, I renewed my CDL A, and when told I'd have to redo the fingerprint procedure, then wait for clearance to arrive via mail, I declined to renew the HazMat endorsement, as I haven't actually hauled any for the last few years.
But the surprise came when I got an abstract [Ohio's record of violations on the driver's record]: it says the HazMat expires in Oct, 2012.
There's no endorsement on my CDL, so I won't be hauling Hazmat, and it is absurd that the endorsement and license have different expiration dates.
Very simple your background check was due however ur time to retake the hazmat test was still good till 2012. Not hard at all to figure out. Didnt need a special CHERI DECODER RING on that one.
 

cheri1122

Veteran Expediter
Driver
Very simple your background check was due however ur time to retake the hazmat test was still good till 2012. Not hard at all to figure out. Didnt need a special CHERI DECODER RING on that one.

I need SOME kind of decoder ring: what does "time to retake the hazmat test" mean? There's no expiration on when the test can be taken, I can retake it anytime - just can't add the endorsement without the bg check & fingerprinting.....
 

iceroadtrucker

Veteran Expediter
Driver
Not renewing it kinda silly, but then again you said that you don't get vey many of them loads as u stated. On another note U state u have A CLASS A & yet u driven a straight truck. You do realize if you ever go back to a semi you will be treated as a newbie greenhorn. But then again I see many a driver get their A then run to a Straight truck. The only straight truck Ill be driven in the future from time to time at harvest to planten seasons is the farm Corn Truck to the elevator. Have a nice weekend.
 
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cheri1122

Veteran Expediter
Driver
Not renewing it kinda silly,

Silly? Some folks need to look up the definition of the word...

but then again you said that you don't get vey many of them loads as u stated.

Exactly. I see no reason to get fingerprinted again, ask the family members who collect my mail to alert me to an envelope bearing results, ["Congratulations! You have been determined to not be a threat to the U S" :eek: is pretty much what it said the last time], ask dispatch to route me home, make another trip to the BMV to retake the test and pay the additional costs of fingerprinting, background check, and hazmat endorsement. [Without it, I paid: $37.00 for the license, $2.75 vision fee, $1.50 lamination fee, $3.50 deputy fee, $5.00 abstract {1 pg printout} fee, and ANOTHER $3.50 deputy fee {for pushing the computer buttons to print the abstract} If it were worth the cost, I'd do it - but hazmat loads simply don't pay for the costs, time, aggravation, and potential risks of hauling it, so call me silly - oh wait, you already did.

On another note U state u have A CLASS A & yet u driven a straight truck.

Yep.

You do realize if you ever go back to a semi you will be treated as a newbie greenhorn.

I won't drive t/t again, partly because too many other drivers have an attitude that makes a tough job even tougher - who needs it?

But then again I see many a driver get their A then run to a Straight truck. The only straight truck Ill be driven in the future from time to time at harvest to planten seasons is the farm Corn Truck to the elevator. Have a nice weekend.

No reply to the question I asked about the expiration date of the endorsement.....:rolleyes:
 

muttly

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
When I renewed my license in 08 I wanted to renew my hazmat endorsement as well and took the written test. I was told I had to also get the background check and fingerprints again,which would include the additional costs,which I didn't realize I had to do again. I wasn't sure If I wanted to pay the additional costs so I left the DMV at that time,but went back a few days later. I just went in there to renew my license and when I received my license in the mail it surprisingly included the endorsement again and have had it since then.
 
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