GOP has Ron Paul problems

RLENT

Veteran Expediter
My wife attended a funeral today for the husband of one of her friends. I explained to her that I couldn't attend, since I was already engaged .... attending the ongoing funeral of the GOP.

GOP has Ron Paul problems
By MARK LANDSBAUM / Register columnist

In Tuesday's Iowa Caucuses, the Republican Party will come face-to-face with its Ron Paul problems.

The first problem for the party is that the libertarian Texas congressman Paul, despite months of massive media indifference and despite mounting vitriolic attacks by his opponents, may win. That's a problem because there are powerful party factions and many registered Republicans who simply will not support him, even against socialist-in-chief Barack Obama. Without them, Paul can't win in November, even if he wins every primary.

Problem No. 2: Without his people, the GOP may not win in November, either.

"I think Ron Paul's views are totally outside the mainstream of virtually every decent American," rival Newt Gingrich said last week. Not just outside mainstream American thought, but outside decent American thought. It's probably noteworthy that, not too much before last week, Gingrich was praising Paul for bringing important issues to the forefront in the campaign for the GOP presidential nomination. But that was before Gingrich had fallen below Paul in the polls.

The next problem for the party is that win or lose on Tuesday, Ron Paul, perhaps more than all of his opponents, has tapped in to the most potent strain of voter enthusiasm – the kind of enthusiasm necessary to unseat an incumbent president. Call it Tea Party fever. It's what Michele Bachmann, Herman Cain and Rick Perry had before their campaigns turned sour or self-destructed.

As if Republicans didn't face enough Ron Paul problems, there are more. For example, there's his foreign policy stance, seen as fatal for a presidential aspirant. Even though growing numbers of Americans, including growing numbers of Republicans, are weary with ongoing Middle East wars, when Paul suggests, as he has unrepentantly, that the U.S. essentially asked for terrorists to sock it to us, he loses rather than gains support.

This unbridgeable gulf is epitomized by Paul criticizing the U.S. for killing Osama bin Laden. That isn't the way to win even war-weary Republican hearts, no matter how "principled" a stance it may seem on paper. The fact is, practically speaking, most Americans don't much mind blurring international legal fine points when it comes to killing murderers of Americans.
Need another problem? How about Paul's refusal to rule out a third-party candidacy? How many parties have won when their ranks were so split? That's a rhetorical question.

And then there's that flaky, crazy-uncle image Paul worked so hard to shed during the present campaign, which, thanks to the near-eternal Internet, has been resurrected by mere mouse clicks. Google "Ron Paul racist newsletter" and you will be overwhelmed with innumerable accounts of how, decades ago, the Texan's name appeared atop publications laced with nasty references to blacks, Hispanics, homosexuals and Jews.
Somewhere buried in this mass of Web data you might find Paul's renunciation of those words, which he has since not only disavowed but disclaimed authoring, and which he attributes to underlings he refuses to identify whom he insists wrote without his knowledge. That would be a strain on credibility for a regular guy, let alone for a politician. As with such things, his rebuttals and retractions never quite catch up to the original transgressions. Anyone searching for a reason to discount a Paul candidacy will hit a treasure trove in these archives.
All of this is unfortunate, but also probably inevitable in the world of politics.

The pity is that Ron Paul offers the best option for Republicans who truly seek to reverse the catastrophic course being steered in Washington. Those Americans who still value liberty, unfettered economic and personal freedoms and enforceable limits on government will find no better champion than Ron Paul. Iowa's social conservatives, evangelical Christians, small-government advocates and freedom lovers of all stripes can find much to admire in this obstetrician who says he would slash a trillion wasted dollars from the federal budget.

While other candidates may claim to have come to new understandings on old issues, or less genuinely have flip-flopped to assume more popular positions, Paul has been far more consistent for far longer. Unfortunately, the Republican Party's Ron Paul problems probably mean that no matter how well he fares Tuesday, the GOP will end up with a flip-flopping, establishmentarian nominee in November. As usual.

GOP has Ron Paul problems

...... may the Grand Old Party rest in peace ......
 

Ragman

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
My wife attended a funeral today for the husband of one of her friends. I explained to her that I couldn't attend, since I was already engaged .... attending the ongoing funeral of the GOP.

gop-dying-wish.jpg
 

Moot

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
"I think Ron Paul's views are totally outside the mainstream of virtually every decent American," rival Newt Gingrich said last week.

Hey Newt, please give us your definition of decent American.
 

layoutshooter

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
I doubt very much that Newt, or Paul, has a CLUE what the views of the "average American" are. Neither one of their check books reflect what an "average Americans" check book looks like. They don't have to live with the "stuff" they push on us. They are "special". :mad:

Both Paul and Newt are multi-millionaires. No clue.
 
Last edited:

Black Sheep

Expert Expediter
On the other hand, Ron Paul has GOP problems. Anybody remember this from Sept 9, 2008?
Paul, who unsuccessfully sought the Republican presidential nomination, will tell supporters he is not endorsing GOP nominee John McCain or Democratic nominee Barack Obama, and will instead give his seal of approval to four candidates: Green Party nominee Cynthia McKinney, Libertarian Party nominee Bob Barr, independent candidate Ralph Nader, and Constitution Party candidate Chuck Baldwin, according to a senior Paul aide.

http://buviva.ipxnow.in/r.php?nin_u...kRHMlM0QmYW1wO2FtcDtuaW5fYj0xJnF1b3Q7&nin_b=1http://brian-therightperspective.bl...1/12/flashback-ron-paul-endorses-cynthia.html
And soon after on Sept 22, 2008 this?
The Libertarian Party Candidate admonished me for “remaining neutral” in the presidential race and not stating whom I will vote for in November. It’s true; I have done exactly that due to my respect and friendship and support from both the Constitution and Libertarian Party members. I remain a lifetime member of the Libertarian Party and I’m a ten-term Republican Congressman. It is not against the law to participate in more then one political party. Chuck Baldwin has been a friend and was an active supporter in the presidential campaign.

I continue to wish the Libertarian and Constitution Parties well. The more votes they get, the better. I have attended Libertarian Party conventions frequently over the years.

In some states, one can be on the ballots of two parties, as they can in New York. This is good and attacks the monopoly control of politics by Republicans and Democrats. We need more states to permit this option. This will be a good project for the Campaign for Liberty, along with the alliance we are building to change the process.

I’ve thought about the unsolicited advice from the Libertarian Party candidate, and he has convinced me to reject my neutral stance in the November election. I’m supporting Chuck Baldwin, the Constitution Party candidate.

http://buviva.ipxnow.in/r.php?nin_u...kRHMlM0QmYW1wO2FtcDtuaW5fYj0xJnF1b3Q7&nin_b=1http://reason.com/blog/2008/09/22/ron-pauls-presidential-endorse
Stop and consider this strange thought process, and then consider that some people want this guy to be making decisions that will effect their lives and the futures of their children and grandchildren. Maybe they don't know as much about him as they think they do.gl
 
Last edited:

RLENT

Veteran Expediter
On the other hand, Ron Paul has GOP problems. Anybody remember this from Sept 9, 2008?
Yup - sure do - thought it was kinda cool ... but then I'm not goose-steppin' in line with "the party" .....

BTW, you might wanna check your links there Chief .... don't work (looks like you might have some sort of IP spoofing/masking sort of thing going on there ... :rolleyes:)

(this is what I get on that 1st link: http://dradran.ipxnow.in/r.php?nin_...hbC1lbmRvcnNlbWVudC1wbGFucy8mcXVvdDs=&nin_b=1)

India eh ? ..... that musta been a long load .... hope it wasn't straight-thru ..... :D

How many hops ya got it runnin' through ? :rolleyes:

And soon after on Sept 22, 2008 this?
Stop and consider this strange thought process,
Which one - the thinking independently one ..... or the goose-steppin' one ?

I don't find anything strange about thinking independently ...... the thought-stopping, "I've-got-to-goose-step-with-the-party" thing ... well ...... yeah, I do find that very strange indeed .... :rolleyes:

and then consider that some people want this guy to be making decisions that will effect their lives and the futures of their children and grandchildren. Maybe they don't know as much about him as they think they do.
The 501(c)4 I used to do some work for, which was started by my former business partner and another friend, lobbied Dr. Paul for better than 10 years.

Despite actually being philosophically in agreement with our goals, he would not co-sponsor various bills we seeking support for.

I'd bet I probably a better idea of who he actually is than many: a man of principle and solid convictions.

BTW, being the person of great concern that you obviously are, do you actually have alternative that you support ..... or are you just another of the ABP camp ?
 
Last edited:

cheri1122

Veteran Expediter
Driver
If believing that the "monopoly control of Republicans & Democrats" is more harmful than good is considered a 'strange thought process', then call me strange, ok?
I just hope there's a lot more of it out there, cause so far, the Republicans & Democrats have not much to brag about.
 

cheri1122

Veteran Expediter
Driver
And here I thought that it was only the liberal democratic left that did the "class warfare" thing ... :rolleyes:

Too funny.

It's only the right wing conservatives who SAY they do the 'class warfare' thing, but you ask me, it's projection.
I don't have a problem with the money Dr Paul earned, he worked pretty hard to become an OB doc, no doubt, but Newt - how hard is it to sell influence - excuse me - 'advice'?
 

dieseldiva

Veteran Expediter
And here I thought that it was only the liberal democratic left that did the "class warfare" thing ... :rolleyes:

Too funny.

It's only the right wing conservatives who SAY they do the 'class warfare' thing, but you ask me, it's projection.
I don't have a problem with the money Dr Paul earned, he worked pretty hard to become an OB doc, no doubt, but Newt - how hard is it to sell influence - excuse me - 'advice'?

True that but if the whole truth be told, that's a drop in the bucket compared to what he's made off of the many books he's written. I'm guessing that the books would be his biggest source of income in the past several years and we cannot call that dishonest work.
 

RLENT

Veteran Expediter
True that but if the whole truth be told, that's a drop in the bucket compared to what he's made off of the many books he's written. I'm guessing that the books would be his biggest source of income in the past several years and we cannot call that dishonest work.
Diva,

I'm not sure how large a part the books played - might be very significant ..... dunno ....

The summary I read some time back on Dr. Paul's net worth referenced that he had been investing in gold and precious metals for a very long time (not necessarily physical gold, but maybe mining stocks, not sure), and that was where the majority of his wealth had come from.

If that's true, it could be that a significant percentage of his net worth is a relatively recent thing - within the last 5 to 10 years - since gold prices have 6x in the last ten years.

(Just realized you were probably talking about Newt :D)
 

dieseldiva

Veteran Expediter
Diva,

I'm not sure how large a part the books played - might be very significant ..... dunno ....

The summary I read some time back on Dr. Paul's net worth referenced that he had been investing in gold and precious metals for a very long time (not necessarily physical gold, but maybe mining stocks, not sure), and that was where the majority of his wealth had come from.

If that's true, it could be that a significant percentage of his net worth is a relatively recent thing - within the last 5 to 10 years - since gold prices have 6x in the last ten years.

(Just realized you were probably talking about Newt :D)

Yes I was but I need to be more clear in my posts as they are often misunderstood......I'll try and work on that!! :eek:
 

mxzane933

Seasoned Expediter
Yup - sure do - thought it was kinda cool ... but then I'm not goose-steppin' in line with "the party" .....

BTW, you might wanna check your links there Chief .... don't work (looks like you might have some sort of IP spoofing/masking sort of thing going on there ... :rolleyes:)

(this is what I get on that 1st link: http://dradran.ipxnow.in/r.php?nin_...hbC1lbmRvcnNlbWVudC1wbGFucy8mcXVvdDs=&nin_b=1)

India eh ? ..... that musta been a long load .... hope it wasn't straight-thru ..... :D

How many hops ya got it runnin' through ? :rolleyes:


Which one - the thinking independently one ..... or the goose-steppin' one ?

I don't find anything strange about thinking independently ...... the thought-stopping, "I've-got-to-goose-step-with-the-party" thing ... well ...... yeah, I do find that very strange indeed .... :rolleyes:


The 501(c)4 I used to do some work for, which was started by my former business partner and another friend, lobbied Dr. Paul for better than 10 years.

Despite actually being philosophically in agreement with our goals, he would not co-sponsor various bills we seeking support for.

I'd bet I probably a better idea of who he actually is than many: a man of principle and solid convictions.

BTW, being the person of great concern that you obviously are, do you actually have alternative that you support ..... or are you just another of the ABP camp ?

Get it rlent get it lol

Sent from my DROID BIONIC
 

RLENT

Veteran Expediter
Just ran across this poll from IBOPE/Zogby showing Dr. Ron Paul as the more preferable candidate in a 3rd Party run than Ralph Nader or NY Mayor Bloomberg. The poll found 16% saying they would be likely to vote for Paul compared to 9% for Bloomberg and 7% for Nader.

The results are disproportionate - with Paul pulling 10% from Republicans, 7% from Democrats, and 9% of Independents.

IBOPE Zogby Poll: Paul Would
Be Stronger 3rd Party Candidate
Than Nader or Bloomberg
 
Top