GM vans 6.0 vs 5.7

MSinger · Sep 14, 2006

I posted a similar message a few weeks back but didn't get much response so I thought I would try again. I need to replace my current vehicle and needed some info from GM van owners. I love running a cube truck but I always said my next one will be under 10,001# to avoid the logging hassle. I am leaning towards a used GMC Penske truck with the 15' box.
I really like the looks of the 2003 and newer models. My question is that the 2003 and newers are using the 6.0 Vortec V8 as opposed to the old reliable 5.7 (350) in the older models. Has anyone had any experience with the new 6.0 especially those who are used to running the 5.7. Any comparisons between the two. The only common problem I am aware of with these is the fuel pumps. Any response and advise would be appreciated.
I may also go to a cargo van. Can you get 3 skids in an extended wheelbase (155") GM van or are Sprinters the only one that can do that?
Thanks guys......and gals!

greg334 · Sep 14, 2006

3 skids in a cargo van, 155" wb? yes but it is tight.

targuard86 · Sep 14, 2006

the box on that thing must work like a sail. I can imagine the MPG's are REAL bad in something like that.

MSinger · Sep 14, 2006

The company I am leased to has several former Penske (under 10,001#) cube trucks signed on. We have several customers who don't require dock high vehicles and these cubes can carry at least 6 45x48 skids.
They get cube rate for anything over 2 skids or 3001# and over. The guys I have spoken to say they are getting 10-12 mpg's. The customers seem to like these as well so they don't have to pay for a straight truck when a smaller unit will do the job and dispatch doesn't have to "waste" a straight truck on a small load.

Moot · Sep 15, 2006

I've got 160,000 miles on a 2004 Chev with a 6.0. I have done only scheduled maintenance - oil, filters and tires. The 6.0 has the fuel filter in the tank as part of the fuel pump assembly. So far no problems.

I replaced the fuel pump in my 1998 5.7 at about 180,000 miles. Sold it at 325,000 miles with that same replacement pump in it.

Averaged 16.1 for the life of the 5.7. Running at 16.6 for the 6.0.

Gener8 · Sep 16, 2006

There in lies the problem with this industry.

You are taking a straight truck load at van rate. That in turns drives down the rate for straight trucks. In return it drives down the rate for vans.

It is time to get paid for the freight we are hauling. Too many people are doing just exactly what you descibed. Also you will have no reason to complain when vans don't get loaded because the straight trucks are taking the van freight. It is a vicisious circle that some one needs to start addressing. Say no to cheap freight and stop encouraging your company to take advantage of you.

Straight trucks are getting the same mileage as you do. They have to invest in a sleeper. They need more money for their loads. Don't hurt them by driving down the rates!!!

Jefferson3000 · Sep 16, 2006

But he didn't say he was only getting van rate. He is getting a "cube" rate (probably equivilent to a C). More power to him, if that's how his company does it.

Drive Safe!

Jeff

Jefferson3000 · Sep 16, 2006

MSINGER,

From what you've said in past posts about lightweight but bulky freight, this may be an awesome option for you. I too am looking into a cube. I may opt for a bit heavier thing though. Logging for me won't be much of a problem, as most of the time I can stay within the 150 air mile range.

More power to ya. Oh, and now I'll just shut up so others can tell you about the engine you seek.

Drive Safe!

Jeff

MSinger · Sep 18, 2006

Well here is how it is. I am not hauling cheap freight. I do not do van runs in my cube truck that I have now. My company has more straight truck freight than they have trucks so if I am able to carry a slightly larger than van load and keep a straight truck in service for a "real" straight truck run than I am helping out myself and my company. My base rate in a cube is 20c a mile higher than a cargo van but less than a straight truck.
The only ones hauling cheap freight are the straight truck drivers taking van runs just to have something to do while the van drivers sit and starve.

MSinger · Sep 18, 2006

Thanks, Moot. That is exactly the kind of info I was looking for.

superior64 · Sep 23, 2006

I have an '06 Ford 6.0 16ft. I love it. I get 12-14 mpg, and can take 6 pallets, and 5,000Lbs with ease. I get straight truck FSC and rate.

Marty · Sep 23, 2006

I had a 1998 gmc with a 5.7. 640,000 miles and never touched the engine. I replaced the fuel pump approximately ever 150,000 miles.
Now I have a Chevy cube with a 6.0. Replaced the fuel pump at 280,000 and the timing chain at 305,000. I get between 9 and 11 mpg with a 15' cube.

MSinger · Sep 25, 2006

Thanks for the info Marty.

Moot · Sep 25, 2006

Marty, is the fuel filter on your 6.0 in the tank as part of the fuel pump assembly?

rball82 · Oct 4, 2006

I have a 2000 5.7, a 2002 5.7, and both get 14.7 to a gallon. Fuel filter on both went out at 180,000. Older one replaced trans at 280,000, 2002 has 260,000 and is strong.
My 2005 and 2006 both have 6.0 in them and they are both 10 foot refer boxes. 2005 has 120,000 miles on it and just oil,transfluid , and tires have been changed. Brakes still seem ok.
Good Luck, Mark OB