GM and the UAW
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Interesting article; I'd like to read a counter-point by the UAW
Excellent article that's exactly on point. It would be interesting to read the lies and distortions the union would express in their attempt to distract from the truth of this article. There really is no need for a UAW response though since this article rightly and correctly spells it out.
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Leo Bricker, owner trucks 4958, 5447
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That was a good article it points out what can happen to a business if both management and labor do not work together to the betterment of each other.
When management and labor distrusts and misleads each other and only looks out for the interests of the respective people they represent things like the article states happen.
All management and labor should learn from the auto industry if they have not already learned from the steel and airline industry that they are in it together. Management needs to think of the longevity of decisions and how they will effect workers lives and profits. Labor needs to think how their decisions will effect the profits of the company and the lively hood of its members.
They need to understand that neither can exist without the other. They need to work together for eachs survival.
They both have blame in what has happened to the Auto industry. Instead fighting over how to save face they should both make tough decisions and turn this thing around before everyone looses everything.
They must realize that their fight is not with each other but against foreign competion.
Instead of both sides insulting each other and holding on to ideas that have failed they should save the ship before it sinks.
When management and labor distrusts and misleads each other and only looks out for the interests of the respective people they represent things like the article states happen.
All management and labor should learn from the auto industry if they have not already learned from the steel and airline industry that they are in it together. Management needs to think of the longevity of decisions and how they will effect workers lives and profits. Labor needs to think how their decisions will effect the profits of the company and the lively hood of its members.
They need to understand that neither can exist without the other. They need to work together for eachs survival.
They both have blame in what has happened to the Auto industry. Instead fighting over how to save face they should both make tough decisions and turn this thing around before everyone looses everything.
They must realize that their fight is not with each other but against foreign competion.
Instead of both sides insulting each other and holding on to ideas that have failed they should save the ship before it sinks.
i shared this topic with my sister who's husband is a union carpenter here's her thoughts 
;" If you want you can submit my feelings about Unions....................."
"It's true that Unions have dug their own graves.
When Unions first came they were good. They negotiated safer work
conditions. They negotiated higher pay and benefits, but then they blew that
all out the window by demanding more and more and more.
We have OSHA now to protect us from danger. I'd like to see some OSHA
workers take a stroll thru their local Wally Worlds and Meijers and Home
Depots and start handing out fines left and right. I almost broke my neck at
Home Depot because they had a product so high on a shelf that only a 8 foot
tall Amazon Man could reach it. And no I didn't sue them because I was the
idiot who tried to get it! Meijer's and Wally Worlds put up so many
display's that it creates an obstacle course that I don't want to have to
deal with in an emergency situation.
Here we are paying these derelicts, who probably didn't finish high school,
$30 to $70 an hour to build our cars. Makes ya feel all warm, fuzzy and safe
doesn't it?
How about your brother-in-law getting fired from Chrysler at least 7 times.
Late? You're fired! Stealing radios? Fired! Driving the cars like an idiot?
Fired! Getting drunk at work? Fired! Everytime he was fired he went to his
Union rep and got hired back on. Why would he deserve to get his job back?
At least I know when I walk into a building built by a Union Carpenter,
Millwright, Tin Knocker, ect. ect. they have had AT LEAST 4 years of
schooling devoted to the Carpentry field and for them to keep their Union
Card current they have to take and pass refresher courses and attend school
for new technologies. Do these guys deserve the pay they earn? You bet!
Little tidbit.........I have time to sit here and write this because I have
been stuck at home for three days waiting for my 2004 Silverado Truck to be
repaired AGAIN! Shoulda bought the Nissan................." x(
;" If you want you can submit my feelings about Unions....................." "It's true that Unions have dug their own graves.
When Unions first came they were good. They negotiated safer work
conditions. They negotiated higher pay and benefits, but then they blew that
all out the window by demanding more and more and more.
We have OSHA now to protect us from danger. I'd like to see some OSHA
workers take a stroll thru their local Wally Worlds and Meijers and Home
Depots and start handing out fines left and right. I almost broke my neck at
Home Depot because they had a product so high on a shelf that only a 8 foot
tall Amazon Man could reach it. And no I didn't sue them because I was the
idiot who tried to get it! Meijer's and Wally Worlds put up so many
display's that it creates an obstacle course that I don't want to have to
deal with in an emergency situation.
Here we are paying these derelicts, who probably didn't finish high school,
$30 to $70 an hour to build our cars. Makes ya feel all warm, fuzzy and safe
doesn't it?
How about your brother-in-law getting fired from Chrysler at least 7 times.
Late? You're fired! Stealing radios? Fired! Driving the cars like an idiot?
Fired! Getting drunk at work? Fired! Everytime he was fired he went to his
Union rep and got hired back on. Why would he deserve to get his job back?
At least I know when I walk into a building built by a Union Carpenter,
Millwright, Tin Knocker, ect. ect. they have had AT LEAST 4 years of
schooling devoted to the Carpentry field and for them to keep their Union
Card current they have to take and pass refresher courses and attend school
for new technologies. Do these guys deserve the pay they earn? You bet!
Little tidbit.........I have time to sit here and write this because I have
been stuck at home for three days waiting for my 2004 Silverado Truck to be
repaired AGAIN! Shoulda bought the Nissan................." x(
I think we could easily imagine what the masters of rhetoric would come up with as a responce. The words dignity and respect would be prevelent. A lot of talk about families. And, it would all be spun in a way to make it sound like that drunk that, if he does show up, is a valuable asset even though he can't even tighten lugnuts in a competent manner.
The companies do bear some responsibility for just bending over and taking it. When Ford workers first asked for health care benefits, Henry thought that was something they should pay for from their wages, and he was right. But, the "gimme" era began. I read that during the last negotiation the workers wanted cell phones. I'm sure this was included as someting to throw out during talks but is an indication of how weird it can get.
The companies do bear some responsibility for just bending over and taking it. When Ford workers first asked for health care benefits, Henry thought that was something they should pay for from their wages, and he was right. But, the "gimme" era began. I read that during the last negotiation the workers wanted cell phones. I'm sure this was included as someting to throw out during talks but is an indication of how weird it can get.
greg334
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When Ford workers first asked for health
>care benefits, Henry thought that was something they should
>pay for from their wages, and he was right. But, the "gimme"
>era began.
I am wondering, which henry? it sure wasn't the old man. He tried to insitute some programs to promote healthy living but that went out the window in the 1920's. Duringthe war only some 'special' employees got health care who were 'vital' to the war effort as he saw fit. Henry the duece I think added health care to the contracts after the stock went public, but I may be wrong.
>care benefits, Henry thought that was something they should
>pay for from their wages, and he was right. But, the "gimme"
>era began.
I am wondering, which henry? it sure wasn't the old man. He tried to insitute some programs to promote healthy living but that went out the window in the 1920's. Duringthe war only some 'special' employees got health care who were 'vital' to the war effort as he saw fit. Henry the duece I think added health care to the contracts after the stock went public, but I may be wrong.