Gadget Addiction Leads to Selling of Teen's Kidney

greg334

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Yeah?

Shouldn't that be a fundamental right for all in the world, if they want to sell a body part to buy something, they should be able to.
 

paullud

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So many people need organ transplants it seems a little green to help pay for the funeral or for the guy trying to save his house it could go a long way.

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greg334

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I know many will disagree with this but if it is a womens body and they can have certain procedures done, it also goes for a mans body and the harvesting of their own organs for money.
 

xiggi

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The article was about a teenager, big difference than an adult deciding what to do with their body.
 

greg334

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I don't see the difference.

Teenagers are capible of deciding for themselves, and going back to the Women are masters of their own body thing, we protect teenagers in that sense in many states where they are allowed to decide for themselves.
 

cheri1122

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I don't see the difference.

You would, if you'd raised a couple, lol. Both my daughters are mature, stable, and level headed, NOW, but when they were 17? I wouldn't have counted on it....

Teenagers are capible of deciding for themselves, and going back to the Women are masters of their own body thing, we protect teenagers in that sense in many states where they are allowed to decide for themselves.

Denying a pregnant teen the option to terminate the pregnancy would guarantee a whole lot of children with unfit mothers - no matter how many swear they will place the baby for adoption, few can actually do it once the baby is a reality. [DAM those billboards!:mad:]
The best we can do is try to avoid unwanted pregnancies, especially among teens. They have enough hormonal issues already, at that age.
 

xiggi

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I don't see the difference.

Teenagers are capible of deciding for themselves, and going back to the Women are masters of their own body thing, we protect teenagers in that sense in many states where they are allowed to decide for themselves.

You may not I see a huge difference. Regardless of what you would like to believe facts are teens or at least the huge majority are not ready to make this type of decision. The fact that the teen in the article sold his to buy a laptop and ipod proves that point.
 

paullud

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You may not I see a huge difference. Regardless of what you would like to believe facts are teens or at least the huge majority are not ready to make this type of decision. The fact that the teen in the article sold his to buy a laptop and ipod proves that point.

If he spent it on liquor and women would it make a difference? :)
There should be an age limit of like 25 to do this.

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cheri1122

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If he spent it on liquor and women would it make a difference? :)
There should be an age limit of like 25 to do this.

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Selling one's organs is illegal, for good reason: poor and ignorant [or desperate] people can be taken advantage of, and then require very expensive medical care later. Which, of course, they won't be able to pay for, leaving it to society to foot the bills.
 

paullud

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Selling one's organs is illegal, for good reason: poor and ignorant [or desperate] people can be taken advantage of, and then require very expensive medical care later. Which, of course, they won't be able to pay for, leaving it to society to foot the bills.

I guess you would have to have responsible medical professionals involved or that could be an issue, it would go for the drunken frat boy as well that wants to supply the fraternity for a semester.


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greg334

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You would, if you'd raised a couple, lol. Both my daughters are mature, stable, and level headed, NOW, but when they were 17? I wouldn't have counted on it....

Regardless if I rasied kids or not it is a political position I take on the rights and freedoms of individuals.

Denying a pregnant teen the option to terminate the pregnancy would guarantee a whole lot of children with unfit mothers - no matter how many swear they will place the baby for adoption, few can actually do it once the baby is a reality. [DAM those billboards!:mad:]
The best we can do is try to avoid unwanted pregnancies, especially among teens. They have enough hormonal issues already, at that age.

Denying a pregnant teenager her 'rights' is not really her right, she is not an adult and has no real rights until she is emancipated. BUT that's not the point. The point is that if one can terminate a pregancy, then I can sell a kidney. The right of controlling one's body goes both ways without the idea that gender or age or the reason why should play a factor into this.

You may not I see a huge difference. Regardless of what you would like to believe facts are teens or at least the huge majority are not ready to make this type of decision. The fact that the teen in the article sold his to buy a laptop and ipod proves that point.

Well guess what bucky, we make serious decisions every day as individuals that can cost us our lives or affect them to the point that we will suffer. It isn't up to me or you to tall him what he can or can't do and shouldn't be - it is his body. It would be the same as standing outside a clinic and telling them they can't do something because it benefits them financially.

The excuse that is used to "protect" us is actually causing us a lot of problems and suffering. The justification is causing suffering in individuals who can make those choices with the information they have or the situation they are in.

There is a problem when the FDA doesn't allow new drugs to be tested on terminally ill patents or we are not allowed to use drugs that can help us when we are sick and can die. Where is the outcry for this? I mean even if the drug kills the person, they are terminal and it is their decision to try it to see if it helps.

There is no difference between any of these things, the right of the individual should always be first and foremost over the right of society to control the individual medical condition or allow them to make medical decisions their way.
 

xiggi

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Denying a pregnant teenager her 'rights' is not really her right, she is not an adult and has no real rights until she is emancipated.

Well guess what bucky, we make serious decisions every day as individuals that can cost us our lives or affect them to the point that we will suffer. It isn't up to me or you to tall him what he can or can't do and shouldn't be - it is his body. It would be the same as standing outside a clinic and telling them they can't do something because it benefits them financially.

Can you say contradiction?
 

greg334

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Can you say contradiction?

The point is if we allow one form of decision making to happen while not allowing another using the logic that we can't make hard decisions in the first place it is a contradiction.
 

cheri1122

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Greg: I didn't say a pregnant teen has a 'right' to terminate the pregnancy, I said if she doesn't have that option, the long term result will be the same as allowing poor folks to sell organs: bad news for the rest of society, who will have to pay for it in future years.
And worse news for the unfortunate children born to immature teenagers - they won't all end up as Caylee Anthony did, but very few will have a chance of stability in their young lives, either.
 

greg334

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Greg: I didn't say a pregnant teen has a 'right' to terminate the pregnancy, I said if she doesn't have that option, the long term result will be the same as allowing poor folks to sell organs: bad news for the rest of society, who will have to pay for it in future years.
And worse news for the unfortunate children born to immature teenagers - they won't all end up as Caylee Anthony did, but very few will have a chance of stability in their young lives, either.

I understand, but your point aside for a moment, the problem I see isn't with Abortion or anything like that but the rights we all should share equally. IF a woman has the right to something over her body, a man should too. BUT the right has to be uninhibited, meaning it is not to exclude anything. If I want to sell my kidney to say the guy down the street and it wipes my debts out, than I should be able to make that decision AFTER being informed of the risks, near term and long term.
 

cheri1122

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I understand, but your point aside for a moment, the problem I see isn't with Abortion or anything like that but the rights we all should share equally.

We already have equal rights: I can't sell any of my organs, same as you can't, and there's no law prohibiting you from terminating a pregnancy. :D
 
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