Fun with numbers

[OntarioVanMan]

I picked up a load in a small town in Michigan of about 300....

They just recalled 9 workers....so that said...News headline would read:

Unemployment drops 3 % in Michigan!!!
O Bama plan works!!*LOL*

 

[OntarioVanMan]

If only 15% of the population is uninsured...wouldn't it be cheaper just to buy their health care policy for them? Vs Trillions of dollars for everyone?

 

[OntarioVanMan]

USA Today says that women hold down 49.4% of the work force and by Nov. will take the lead from men for the first time in history.....BUT they make only 77% of the pay men do.....so now we know who takes the cheap freight....women drivers that is who...they undercut us by 23% of the load value...

 

[muttly]

If only 15% of the population is uninsured...wouldn't it be cheaper just to buy their health care policy for them? Vs Trillions of dollars for everyone?

That would make too much sense for government.

 

[Tennesseahawk]

That would make too much sense for government.

It never was about insuring people... it's about control.

 

[arrbsthw]

AMEN, THawk.. you are so right!

 

[OntarioVanMan]

It never was about insuring people... it's about control.

Control I been thinking about the way some use it ...

Drivers Licenses...Under the guise of making the roads safer...But Control a certain segment of the population..

Hunting Licenses....Under the guise of wildlife preservation...But Control a certain segment of the population..

Fishing License..Same as above...

Building Permits...Under the guise of making the building safer...But Control a certain segment of the population..

Contracts of employment...Under the guise of working conditions...But Control a certain segment of the population..

And now Health Care...Under the guise of making you healthier ...But Control a certain segment of the population..

So now if you believe the Conservatives...there should be NO laws or legislation to tell us what to do or where to go...
Because even the Laws of the Land are an effect of control.

Soooo that said...I think throwing "control" out there is quite frivilous and meanngless...it is a scare tactic....just like the Dems and whatever their crap line is...

 

[FIS53]

OVM you're partially right in would it be cheaper to fund healthcare for the uninsured only. Basically you'd have to create a new insurance company with government money backing it and make the people joining pay either user fees and/or small premiums per month.
Either way the costs then would be shared but priced for affordability and if all the lower income people buy into it then the system would have a constant income from two sources.

Unfortunately the costs of healthcare in general would have to be addressed in order for it to be a system that could be sustained in the long term as costs for many items at a hospital or doctors office are just too high and currently bleed the insurance companies. You'd have thought though that the insurance companies would have been demanding lower prices so they could manage their policies better.
Rob

 

[Tennesseahawk]

Control I been thinking about the way some use it ...

Drivers Licenses...Under the guise of making the roads safer...But Control a certain segment of the population..

State law... don't like it, don't drive, or move to another state.

Hunting Licenses....Under the guise of wildlife preservation...But Control a certain segment of the population..

State or local law... don't like it, don't hunt, or move to another state.

Fishing License..Same as above...

Same as above.

Building Permits...Under the guise of making the building safer...But Control a certain segment of the population..

State or local law... don't like it, move to somewhere less restrictive.

Contracts of employment...Under the guise of working conditions...But Control a certain segment of the population..

State law... don't like it, move to your choice of a union or right to work state.

And now Health Care...Under the guise of making you healthier ...But Control a certain segment of the population..

Federal law... don't like it, tough cookies. Oh... and it's not in the Constitution. But who cares about that anyways.

So now if you believe the Conservatives...there should be NO laws or legislation to tell us what to do or where to go...
Because even the Laws of the Land are an effect of control.

Conservatives believe in a republican form of government... ie, small federal government, with restrictions placed on the laws they can create.

Soooo that said...I think throwing "control" out there is quite frivilous and meanngless...it is a scare tactic....just like the Dems and whatever their crap line is...

Control is restricting freedoms... in this case, freedom of choice. It's not a scare tactic. It's a fact of life. The more power the government gets, the less freedoms we have.

 

[greg334]

Driver's license, Hunting license, Fishing license, Building permits

All of them have nothing to do with control, there is nothing about control in getting any of them.

But ....

They all have something to do with revenue generation and that is what they are there for, it is a form of a tax to allow you to do some things with your property.

 

[OntarioVanMan]

Driver's license, Hunting license, Fishing license, Building permits

All of them have nothing to do with control, there is nothing about control in getting any of them.

But ....

They all have something to do with revenue generation and that is what they are there for, it is a form of a tax to allow you to do some things with your property.

I don't necessarily agree...violate any of them and the government will punish you....either financially or place restrictions on you....ie: behavior modification thru punishment....
None of them are right ands any of them can be taken back...hence control your behavior...ie: make good choices.

 

[greg334]

Well If this was the case, OVM, then they would not budget based on revenue from these items.

Most of the fees go to support the states activities specifically, not dumped into a general fund and used anywhere it can be used.

 

[OntarioVanMan]

Well If this was the case, OVM, then they would not budget based on revenue from these items.

Most of the fees go to support the states activities specifically, not dumped into a general fund and used anywhere it can be used.

I suppose they serve a couple purposes...both as an income stream and then as a information gathering tool....Ya know big brother can never have too much info...

 

[greg334]

But let's go back when hunting and fishing licenses were first issued, it wasn't because of any control issue, it was because of the push to make people pay for the privilege. Most of these things started in the early 1900's and was viewed as one of many ways to capture revenue.

Back then you were not a number in some massive database, you didn't exist to the government until you showed your documentation to someone. Most cities had directories that listed your name, where you worked and even what you did.

 

[OntarioVanMan]

But let's go back when hunting and fishing licenses were first issued, it wasn't because of any control issue, it was because of the push to make people pay for the privilege. Most of these things started in the early 1900's and was viewed as one of many ways to capture revenue.

Back then you were not a number in some massive database, you didn't exist to the government until you showed your documentation to someone. Most cities had directories that listed your name, where you worked and even what you did.

So we have turned the most basic traits of man into a privilege? An inherent right of survival to feed ourselves and family ....is now a "privilege" granted by the government...doesn't seem right...

 

[aristotle]

States have declared that wildlife belongs to the State. Even the wildlife on your private property in most cases. Therefore, they control hunting, fishing and poaching through legislation.

Remember the Sheriff of Nottingham and his insistence that all deer belong to the King. Almost all American law finds its origins in English common law from centuries ago.

 

[greg334]

Remember the Sheriff of Nottingham and his insistence that all deer belong to the King. Almost all American law finds its origins in English common law from centuries ago.

Actually this was the law at that time, the King or Queen or others of the upper class who were granted a right to hunt, were the only one's to hunt. This is also illustrated in Germany where the Kings granted permission through different means like a lottery for people to hunt on their land.

So we have turned the most basic traits of man into a privilege? An inherent right of survival to feed ourselves and family ....is now a "privilege" granted by the government...doesn't seem right...

Well this is one reason why property rights are inherent, not given or should I say were. Up until Kelo vs. New London we had the right to keep our property unless there was due process involved. Now because of the lack of congressional movement in defining the publics need and the fact that the supreme court won't have too many cases to revisit the issue, we are stuck with the English concept of the state grants us the right to own the property and can control everything about that property. The same goes for enviormental issues, the DNR of this great state has stopped people from putting up sheds or fixing septic fields because of the negitive enviormental impact. And as far as a right to survive, forget that idea because there is nothing about it anywhere I can see.