free condoms for 12 year olds

LDB · May 8, 2013

And don't tell the parents, they don't need to know anything about it. They're only their kids after all.

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tenntrucker · May 8, 2013

Got to protect the teachers.

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zorry · May 8, 2013

If they give them a 12 pak they only have to distribute them once a year.

Scratch that, they're not married yet.

davekc · May 8, 2013

Wow...what a delay. I thought they were doing this for kindergartners. They want the plan "B" birth control for any age so why not condoms for the kiddies?

cheri1122 · May 8, 2013

With the rate of syphilis having gone up by 18% [among 15-19 year olds] from 2010-11, they need to do something, until they figure out how to convince young people to make better decisions.
And the sensationalism of "12 year olds" is [as usual] a bit over the top: the article said "as young as 12", but made no mention of how many [if any at all] 12 year olds are actually getting condoms.
Or whether they're using them as intended, or for water balloon fights.

xiggi · May 8, 2013

Without parents permission it is wrong for any minor.

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zorry · May 8, 2013

Xiggi, are you saying parents have rights,too ?

davekc · May 8, 2013

Focus needs to be on parenting rather than convincing kids of something.

zorry · May 8, 2013

How about free condoms to the parents to distribute at their discretion ?

davekc · May 8, 2013

zorry said:
How about free condoms to the parents to distribute at their discretion ?

Might just get some thinking about "parenting". Just not a place government should be doing anything.

Turtle · May 8, 2013

A slightly less sensationalist article.

Jenny · May 8, 2013

There were three facilities that I knew of, in Lansing, MI, that were not planned parenthood, that ANYONE who was under the age of 21 could come in and walk out with a small paper bag of condoms, spermicide, and contraceptive foam for a nominal donation, no other questions asked. You either showed a state issued id, or school id. I remember many of my friends in school going there, as well as them taking youngef siblings.

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Turtle · May 8, 2013

xiggi said:
Without parents permission it is wrong for any minor....

...to do what? Get free condoms? Obtain condoms without their parents permission? Have sex without first getting permission from their parents?

xiggi · May 8, 2013

Turtle said:
...to do what? Get free condoms? Obtain condoms without their parents permission? Have sex without first getting permission from their parents?

The article wasn't about obtaining condoms by say purchase, it wasn't about sex. You figure it out.

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davekc · May 8, 2013

Turtle said:
A slightly less sensationalist article.

Almost a disappointing article. You article states ages more along the lines of 15 to 19 year olds.
What I find disappointing is 10 condoms a month to be mailed.

I just realized I wasn't the stud I thought I was when I was 15.

cheri1122 · May 8, 2013

I agree that it should be a parent's duty to educate their kids about making choices, but the fact is the parents are clearly failing to do it.
Whether from embarrassment, ignorance, or just poor parenting attitudes, too many parents are unwilling or unable to teach their children about the consequences of engaging in sex.
And a lot of teens simply don't feel they can engage their parents in an honest discussion. The number of teenage girls who are terrified to admit pregnancy is an indication that the parent/child relationship is less than ideal [or even constructive] in too many cases.
So do we continue to pretend everyone behaves as they ought, or do we address the most important aspect of the problem [STDs & pregnancy] while we figure out what to do about the rest?

And: does anyone have any suggestions on how to ensure that parents teach their children well?

Turtle · May 8, 2013

Jenny said:
There were three facilities that I knew of, in Lansing, MI, that were not planned parenthood, that ANYONE who was under the age of 21 could come in and walk out with a small paper bag of condoms, spermicide, and contraceptive foam for a nominal donation, no other questions asked. You either showed a state issued id, or school id. I remember many of my friends in school going there, as well as them taking youngef siblings.

Today, facilities like those have names like CVS, Walgreens and Rite Aid. Prior to 1972 it was illegal everywhere in the US for unmarried couples of any age to use any methods of contraception. The Supreme Court ruling in Eisenstadt v. Baird established the right of unmarried people to possess contraceptives on the same basis as married couples. Then, in 1977, Carey v. Population Services International made very clear that unmarried minors of any age, not just adults, could buy and posses condoms and other contraceptive devices. The Equal Protection Clause of the Constitution is something else that applies, as well.

Of course, those with a Puritanical mindset have a problem with all of this.

Turtle · May 8, 2013

xiggi said:
The article wasn't about obtaining condoms by say purchase, it wasn't about sex. You figure it out.

Thanks, I'll do my best. It's just that your post followed Cheri's and it looked like that's where your comments were directed. It would still be better if you didn't leave an indefinite pronoun like "it" dangling out there with no reference, leaving it up to people to read your mind. I still don't know what "it" means, whether it refers to minors obtaining condoms for free without their parents permission, or if "it' refers to the entire program as a whole, but if you choose to not clarify your comments, that's fine by me.

xiggi · May 8, 2013

cheri1122 said:
I agree that it should be a parent's duty to educate their kids about making choices, but the fact is the parents are clearly failing to do it.
Whether from embarrassment, ignorance, or just poor parenting attitudes, too many parents are unwilling or unable to teach their children about the consequences of engaging in sex.
And a lot of teens simply don't feel they can engage their parents in an honest discussion. The number of teenage girls who are terrified to admit pregnancy is an indication that the parent/child relationship is less than ideal [or even constructive] in too many cases.
So do we continue to pretend everyone behaves as they ought, or do we address the most important aspect of the problem [STDs & pregnancy] while we figure out what to do about the rest?

And: does anyone have any suggestions on how to ensure that parents teach their children well?

What if what the parents are teaching them and it doesn't coincide with free condoms. What if parents do talk to their kids and always asked them to let them know if they are sexually active. Your argument sounds sweet and caring but misses so much.

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xiggi · May 8, 2013

Turtle said:
Today, facilities like those have names like CVS, Walgreens and Rite Aid. Prior to 1972 it was illegal everywhere in the US for unmarried couples of any age to use any methods of contraception. The Supreme Court ruling in Eisenstadt v. Baird established the right of unmarried people to possess contraceptives on the same basis as married couples. Then, in 1977, Carey v. Population Services International made very clear that unmarried minors of any age, not just adults, could buy and posses condoms and other contraceptive devices. The Equal Protection Clause of the Constitution is something else that applies, as well.

Of course, those with a Puritanical mindset have a problem with all of this.

Puritan, is that another term for views different than yours?

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