free condoms for 12 year olds

davekc

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Holding parents accountable for their kids might be a place to start.
 

asjssl

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How about free condoms to the parents to distribute at their discretion ?

What teenager wants to (or will) go to mommy and ask for a condom??? Hello??..what's the problem ..the kids are going to have sex ...so why not protect them...get our heads out of the sand...being proactive is a great idea...

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zorry

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Give them condoms and don't let them read a Bible.

I'm glad my kids aren't hangin' with your kids.
 

xiggi

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What teenager wants to (or will) go to mommy and ask for a condom??? Hello??..what's the problem ..the kids are going to have sex ...so why not protect them...get our heads out of the sand...being proactive is a great idea...

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Not agreeing with an organized group offering my child free condoms in no way says my head is in the sand. Suggesting such comes off as a lack of any real argument. We did great with our daughter and she never felt a need to go somewhere else. She would tell you so herself.

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cheri1122

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What if what the parents are teaching them and it doesn't coincide with free condoms. What if parents do talk to their kids and always asked them to let them know if they are sexually active. Your argument sounds sweet and caring but misses so much.

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If my argument sounds "sweet and caring", it's missing a lot - I was trying for pragmatic, lol.
I just don't get the belief that parents are generally wise, committed, loving, in the face of so much evidence that so many aren't any of the above.
And the point remains: if parents have been doing a good job, why so many teen pregnancies & STDs?
Even parents who truly try to do the right thing can be way off: I know one good Dad who insists that no one except family is ok to babysit his daughters. I think he's dangerously deluded, as pedophiles frequently target children who know & trust them, but he is sure that family = trustworthy.
Remember: any idiot can have children, and many do.
:(
 

xiggi

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The number of teens who never get stds or pregnant far outlays those who do. I would venture to say the same for good parents versus bad. Not unlike layouts arguments that kids are lazy and disrespectful you using a small minority to provide outlines on what is right for the masses.

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davekc

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If my argument sounds "sweet and caring", it's missing a lot - I was trying for pragmatic, lol.
I just don't get the belief that parents are generally wise, committed, loving, in the face of so much evidence that so many aren't any of the above.
And the point remains: if parents have been doing a good job, why so many teen pregnancies & STDs?
Even parents who truly try to do the right thing can be way off: I know one good Dad who insists that no one except family is ok to babysit his daughters. I think he's dangerously deluded, as pedophiles frequently target children who know & trust them, but he is sure that family = trustworthy.
Remember: any idiot can have children, and many do.
:(

I do agree that many parents aren't wise or care for their children in a appropriate manner.
That is why I said they need to be held accountable. It isn't a cureall for every need, but it would go along way from where we are currently at.
How do I know? These problems didn't exist 20 or 30 years ago.
It really is that simple.
 

cheri1122

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As the number of teens who don't get pregnant or contract an STD includes those who are just plain lucky [don't ask how I know that] as those who have good parents, I think the number of teens who do get pregnant, or get STDs is more important.
Until we, as a society, figure out how to ensure that all parents are doing their part, [and damifino how we do that] free condoms seems a prudent step to take. It's not the optimal solution, but I think it's slightly better than letting the dumbazzes get syphilis.
Or worse, become parents themselves, at age 15.

 

xiggi

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As the number of teens who don't get pregnant or contract an STD includes those who are just plain lucky [don't ask how I know that] as those who have good parents, I think the number of teens who do get pregnant, or get STDs is more important.
Until we, as a society, figure out how to ensure that all parents are doing their part, [and damifino how we do that] free condoms seems a prudent step to take. It's not the optimal solution, but I think it's slightly better than letting the dumbazzes get syphilis.
Or worse, become parents themselves, at age 15.


Guess what it isn't our job as a society.

I totally understand in some ways my thoughts are old fashioned. I know kids do what they do they can by condoms etc. I just have a problem personally with large groups organizing for what they consider what is best for others. Just my feelings on it.

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davekc

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Teen pregnancy didn't exist 20 or 30 years ago? Come on dave, think about what you just said.

Not as an absolute, but you didn't have the numbers where you have them now. None of this stuff were real problems back then even though it existed in small numbers.
What changed?
 

cheri1122

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Guess what it isn't our job as a society.

No? Then, what is our job, as a society, if not to look out for each other? To protect those who need it?

I totally understand in some ways my thoughts are old fashioned. I know kids do what they do they can by condoms etc. I just have a problem personally with large groups organizing for what they consider what is best for others. Just my feelings on it.

Ok, except that society [and the government, too] isn't deciding what's best for others, but for all, including each of us.
That's what society and government are supposed to do, isn't it? They're not some foreign body ruling us, they are us.


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asjssl

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Guess what it isn't our job as a society.

I totally understand in some ways my thoughts are old fashioned. I know kids do what they do they can by condoms etc. I just have a problem personally with large groups organizing for what they consider what is best for others. Just my feelings on it.

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Like religions handing out bibles to my child without my consent..religions thinking its in my child's best interest to pray @ school...
Nobody is forcing anyone to sign up for these free by mail condoms...if my son signed up for this...I would be so proud that my son is being smart enough to protect himself...because its going to happen...just be prepared...sex is in our DNA...is going to happen...pretending all these kids our not messing around is down right stupid...

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davekc

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Oh I don't know. I kinda lean towards the parental and personal responsibilty.
While were passing out condoms and giving high fives, should we throw a fifth of whiskey in as well while they are driving around looking for a "spot"? If kids are going to have sex, you know they are going to drink.
 
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asjssl

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Oh I don't know. I kinda lean towards the parental and personal responsibilty.
While were passing out condoms and giving high fives, should we throw a fifth of whiskey in as well while they are driving around looking for a "spot"? If kids are going to have sex, you know they are going to drink.

So we are pretending humans are not sexual beings?? ...see this is the problem...pretend everybody has 0 sexual feelings/ urges ...turn our heads..pretend our children are not humping each other ...

I'm not hi fiving my son ...but I would be proud that at least he protected him and his partner..I am a realist ..not for 1 second did I think my son was not having sex....

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LDB

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"It takes a village" sure resonated with some people. It's good to see that at least some still recognize that it isn't "society's" or "the village's" job to do the parent's job.
 

davekc

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So we are pretending humans are not sexual beings?? ...see this is the problem...pretend everybody has 0 sexual feelings/ urges ...turn our heads..pretend our children are not humping each other ...

I'm not hi fiving my son ...but I would be proud that at least he protected him and his partner..I am a realist ..not for 1 second did I think my son was not having sex....

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Who is pretending? I didn't insinuate that either. Whether one has feelings or not doesn't translate into "they have to have sex regardless". Responsibility would be the key. Some will fail and when they do, they should be held accountable and accept the responsibilty for a pregnancy or STD.
Seem to work years ago.
 

asjssl

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Who is pretending? I didn't insinuate that either. Whether one has feelings or not doesn't translate into "they have to have sex regardless". Responsibility would be the key. Some will fail and when they do, they should be held accountable and accept the responsibilty for a pregnancy or STD.
Seem to work years ago.

You said it ...responsibility... protect your self ....and why you think years ago was better...nobody talked about it...you were shamed...nothing has changed just that we talk and are more open these days..

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