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cheri1122

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I understand this concept: if I don't give money to the government, it can't provide the infrastructure and services I rely upon to conduct my business.
The government doesn't "confiscate" money, it is a voluntary arrangement, and it has worked pretty well for more than 200 years. Particularly after WW2, when the tax rate hit 90% for the most wealthy, and the money was used to provide returning GIs with benefits that strengthened the middle class. Anyone who wanted to work had no trouble finding a job that paid enough to live a basic independent life - nothing fancy, but no need for food stamps, either. College was affordable, if that's what you wanted, but it wasn't needed to earn a middle class income. The average Joe & Jane could marry and save for a down payment on a house, without neglecting their kids, or skipping an annual vacation. Saving money was something nearly everyone could do, if they had even minimal discipline. Investors were people who had money they could afford to lose, and they risked it by backing ideas & people they believed would succeed, which was a win/win scenario. [And they wouldn't dream of telling the owners/management how to run the business, either.]
In today's USA, the truly entitled are the very wealthy - but once the middle class is gone, what will they be entitled to then? :confused:
 
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cheri1122 said:
The government doesn't "confiscate" money, it is a voluntary arrangement, and it has worked pretty well for more than 200 years.
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I'm going to print that out and frame it.

Anyone who wanted to work had no trouble finding a job that paid enough to live a basic independent life -...
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Well, except for all the Rosie Riveters who were dumped when the war ended.
 
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Fox News even sources conservative Blogs as news sources (that's for Rags) and then reports it as news.
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cheri1122 said:
I understand this concept: if I don't give money to the government, it can't provide the infrastructure and services I rely upon to conduct my business.
The government doesn't "confiscate" money, it is a voluntary arrangement, and it has worked pretty well for more than 200 years.
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Uh, cheri, Do you really believe it is voluntary?

Even I won't go that far.
 
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cheri1122 said:
I understand this concept: if I don't give money to the government, it can't provide the infrastructure and services I rely upon to conduct my business.
The government doesn't "confiscate" money, it is a voluntary arrangement, and it has worked pretty well for more than 200 years. Particularly after WW2, when the tax rate hit 90% for the most wealthy...
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I assume that as a driver for Load 1 you are an independent contractor and pay your taxes quarterly. See what happens when you stop filing and paying those "voluntary" quarterly returns. BTW, the 16th amendment was ratified in 1913. Also, the "wealthy" didn't actually pay anywhere near the 90% rate that was in place during the 1950s.

Peter Schiff: The Fantasy of a 91% Top Income Tax Rate - WSJ
 
cheri1122

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Pilgrim said:
I assume that as a driver for Load 1 you are an independent contractor and pay your taxes quarterly. See what happens when you stop filing and paying those "voluntary" quarterly returns. BTW, the 16th amendment was ratified in 1913. Also, the "wealthy" didn't actually pay anywhere near the 90% rate that was in place during the 1950s.

Peter Schiff: The Fantasy of a 91% Top Income Tax Rate - WSJ
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Of course it's voluntary - we choose to have the services provided by government, and they aren't free, so we all help pay. Those businesses that don't help pay benefit from taxpayer provided services too, and is that socialism, in your opinion?
You referred to the link I cited as "silly socialistic turd journalism" - nice bit of deflective name calling, but where's the rebuttal? It includes sources for every assertion, can you refute them?
And where do you come up with a figure of $100 per month for an Obamaphone? All of which are old style dumb phones, from small area carriers, [not from AT&T, Verizon, or Sprint] with minutes capped at 250 per month. They're also restricted to one per household - and before you mention the fraud & abuse, here's a link for your edification:

FCC cracks down on Obama Phone fraud, fines companies $90 million

Funny, it's those job creating businesses who are committing the fraud - imagine that! :eek:
 
cheri1122

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Uh, cheri, Do you really believe it is voluntary?

Sure I believe it - what's the alternative? Anarchy? It's the most reasonable way to provide what we need and want: civilized society, ruled by law, with freedom for all. [Until they blow it.]

Even I won't go that far.
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So, where would you go instead/ :confused:
 
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Well of course taxes are voluntary. Now, did you say you wanted my bridge or my ocean front property in Colorado?
 
paullud

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How does the government seizing property and bank accounts for not paying taxes or threatening people with imprisonment for not filing register as taxes being voluntary?
 
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Isn't that the same network that faked the explosions of the GM pickups on Dateline, and had to settle a lawsuit, issue public apologies, etc?:D
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I don't remember which one put that lie out, they are all so full of it it's hard to tell them apart, could have been. I seem to remember 20/20 putting out a bunch of bull on guns, had to have someone off to the side shooting the watermelon. That was before cable news even came about.
 
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paullud said:
How does the government seizing property and bank accounts for not paying taxes or threatening people with imprisonment for not filing register as taxes being voluntary?
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I want to volunteer nothing to Obamacare. I wasn't aware that was an option.:cool:
 
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I want to volunteer nothing to Obamacare. I wasn't aware that was an option.:cool:
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In one way or another, all working people will be paying the cost of Obamacare for the rest of their lives. Elections have consequences. Vote in a Socialist, expect socialism. Vote in someone who positively hates American traditions and you get social engineering through Executive Order. I really don't know if the United States can recover from Barack Obama's time in office. His has been the most horrible and damaging presidency in US history. The list of his assaults on the US Constitution is staggering. How has he managed to get away with it? Two terrible years ahead.
 
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